HI. I think after a while you get used to what you need to interact with and not. It's a bit like some programmes in windows if pressing enter or space bar doesn't work you have to employ a mouse cursor etc. I see interacting as kind of the same thing.
Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 05/08/2013, at 7:04 AM, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> wrote: > In my opinion interaction really is very efficiant because it's so logical. > But on the other hand it's not obvious to people who are new to this on the > Mac when to interact and when not. There are to many different names for > things you can interact with: groups, scrol areas, tables sometimes but not > on the web with DOM, lists sometimes but not on the web with DOM, toolbars, > sidebars, browser etc.. And what makes their confusion even worse is that you > actually should interact with for example the browser in a finder window but > you don't have to. But if you don't interact some functions are not available > like clicking on a file by pressing VO + Spacebar to open it. So I met quite > a few beginners who were very unhappy of this inconsistency. > > I'd rather have hot spots fully functional. With them the more experienced > users wouldn't have to worry about interacting or not. Unfortunately they are > quite buggy in many ways. > > All the best > Jürgen > Am 04.08.2013 um 21:15 schrieb Maria and Joe Chapman > <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>: > >> HI. yep I agree about interaction. Once I got used to it I kind of really >> like it. >> >> >> regards >> Maria and crew from australia >> email: >> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >> check out >> www.95-the-mix.com >> where we play lots of great music >> >> >> >> >> On 04/08/2013, at 9:55 PM, Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> But interaction makes so much more sense. >>> Its basically telling VO, this is what I want to focus on, and not like >>> windows where it reads you every single thing and half the time you have to >>> read it anyway, and with VO you can choose to or not. >>> Matt Dierckens >>> matt.dierck...@gmail.com >>> >>> IOS and Macintosh User support, Windsor area >>> Sight Substitution Centre >>> >>> On 2013-08-04, at 7:30 AM, Danny Noonan <da...@familynoonan.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm thinking of Garage band and how often you interact and stop >>>> interacting over and over again. There are some key strokes but it's still >>>> such a time sink. >>>> >>>> I don't know how it could be done away with fully but better use of >>>> interaction by software would certainly make life easier. Have it be more >>>> universal across apps both native and third party. Making vo j work in >>>> most if not all multi interaction situations. Some times now it's vo j, >>>> other times, vo command shift t to switch between tables and other times >>>> like in the Sendspace wizard, you have 3 or more levels of interaction and >>>> have to move up 2 levels, vo right and then interact in another chain of >>>> levels. Arg. >>>> >>>> I love the mac but this is 1 of those things that makes the experience far >>>> sloppier and less consistent and is a major stumbling block on many coming >>>> to love using the OS despite its many advantages over windows. >>>> >>>> Danny. >>>> >>>> On 31/07/2013, at 9:03 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it is obvious that the interaction deal is one of the most >>>>> difficult things that somebody who moves from Windows to Mac needs to >>>>> deal with. What is frustrating is that it is not always clear when one >>>>> needs to interact. Trial and error and lots of keystrokes and wasted time >>>>> result. I certainly do agree that tabbing until your finger falls off >>>>> isn't the best solution. But I do wonder if there might not be a more >>>>> innovative means of efficiently navigating complex screens. Sometimes, >>>>> it isn't even clear, for instance, that you are in a situation where >>>>> interacting again would yield more info. I'm thinking of nested tables as >>>>> an example. VO doesn't always announce the fact that you have moved into >>>>> a level 12 or even 3 table or that you could do so by interacting. Maybe >>>>> that is a coding issue, not a VO issue. I do wonder if there are actual >>>>> blind users who work for Apple who have experience with other operating >>>>> systems. I say that not because I want to see some other approach >>>>> duplicated, but because I've seen too much tunnel vision coming from >>>>> folks whose only experience is with one or another os. >>>>> >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> Mary Otten >>>>> motte...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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