I guess I miss worded my question. But I guess that's what I get for assuming everyone would know what I was talking about.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: legality of copying a dvd (was removing copyright protection from DVD) Ah! Ok. Thanks Donna, I guess I'm not crazy after all. lol. I think what we ran into here was a typical case of jumping the gun, and wild assumption. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I think you're all confusing several different things here. I agree that the I'm blind so I deserve special treatment is bunk, but I don't think that was the point that was being put forward. > > 1. the point that we all copy CDs every day and no one thinks anything of it as long as it's for your own personal use is a valid one. I have hundreds of CDs, many of which I have imported into my iTunes library. No one looks askance at that, no one even bothers to ask whether I'm making that content available to anyone else. Why should a movie be any different? Few if any would make the argument that I am obligated to repurchase that content from iTunes in order to play it in my iTunes library. > > 2. VLC and HandBrake are available to anyone, not just the blind community. To ask about these resources is no different than asking what apps are available to help you find the best prices on shoes or gas. Kliphton was simply inquiring about the name of widely available programs, he can't be faulted for that. > > 3. As was already stated, encryption does not equal copyright. If you break encryption, but never provide the content to anyone else, you have not violated copyright. If that were the case, any of us who have imported a CD into iTunes, or scanned a book so we could read it on our computer, notetaker, etc. have violated copyright. > > Clearly, if Kliphton breaks encryption and then provides that content to others, or if he illegally purchases content, he has violated the law. But to transfer content which he has already purchased to another device for his personal use, is not a violation of anything.. > Best, > Donna > On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote: > >> Quite right too. I wonder something. IF the person wanted to break the copy right on a DVD put forth the effort to create something, would he want others to do to him what he seaks now to do? >> >> a fair question do you not think? >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >> >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >>> Kindly share the portion of the source post for this thread that even suggests your interpretation is this person's goal? >>> They asked how to break a copyright. >>> Frankly if the content of your DVD collection has value to you, you keep a means for playing them...no more no less. >>> I do not find your description of "today's technology" is a reason for this conduct, but that too is just my opinion. >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I apologize for my reply then, but I did not see the original poster's question as stealing. I'll not go into the Movie Vault here, but copying a dvd one already owns is, to me, not stealing anything. Provided the digital copy is not sold to, given to, or otherwise distributed to anyone else, I see the copy as a backup or a way of watching something you already paid for on another device. For instance, say you have a Mac Mini hooked up to a living room tv, but the Mini has no disk drive (as they have not for a couple years). You also have a Macbook (also no disk drive) in the house. Both devices share a network-based iTunes library, and as neither can play your movie, you simply convert the movie into a format that your devices can use. Yes, you can buy the movie twice over just to have it in a compatible format, but now you've paid twice for something you owned in the first place but was simply not compatible with today's technology. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but that's my opinion. Again, you cross a line when you start distributing your copies to other people, but as long as it's for your personal use and is used to get around technological incompatibilities, I don't view it as stealing and therefore have no problem helping others convert their outdated dvd libraries into modern files playable on today's diskless computers. >>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My sword also drawn, well sharpened and at the ready. What's right is right: and, what's wrong is wrong. Not to mention which, I believe the mod has made it very abundantly clear that the stealing of intellectual property by any on this list WILL, NOT Be, tolerated. >>>>> >>>>> Nor even the discussion of it. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>>> I am not sure where to start besides thanks...ahem because you are blind you are entitled to stolen property? There is a regulation that says this...where? >>>>>> A bit humorously, but this is not a blindness thing so to speak, of anything is a blindness thing. >>>>>> Unfortunately it is a human disorder, i. e. because I feel disadvantaged for <fill in reason> my back ground income level, skin, gender whatever I have decided divides me from the rest of humanity, I can claim the right to all sorts of things belonging too others because I am entitled. >>>>>> The same argument is made for other sorts of stealing, from cheating on a spouse to shop lifting, and it is equally misguided. >>>>>> to keep this on point, I suppose some forget that Apple staff are rumored to read this list? >>>>>> and I feel sure they would love to know others here are using their creativity to steal from hard working professionals. >>>>>> Kare with her shoes on but her intellectual property sword drawn smiles. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I totally second what Karen says here. Frankly, it's the attitude on the part of some blind people that just because they're blind, they have the right to steal copy right protected material makes me want to vomit!!! Nothing gives anybody the right to Steal like that. I don't care if it's a physical store, a DVD or what ever. When you buy a DVD or CD, or even a download, all you have is the right to the individual private use of that intellectual property. You DO, NOT, OWN, that intellectual property. That is the work of someone else: and, unless that someone else specifically gives you the right to make further use or to further distribute that intellectual property, , it IS, NOT, yours to do with as you will. The only thing you own is the physical medium on which that intellectual property happens to reside. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Half a moment. >>>>>>>> Mod alert before this thread goes any further. >>>>>>>> You actually expect people to guide you towards stealing property here? >>>>>>>> Just as bad as the other thread recently telling someone how to seal movies from the vault of stolen material the mice gives away. >>>>>>>> I trust a mod will prevent this before it gets out of hand. >>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Kliphton wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, what apps do people use to remove copyright protection >>>>>>>>> from DVD's so it can be ripped? 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