If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a
source list visible. You then can use control-option-j to jump from the source
list to other areas and back. You can also use the VoiceOver web navigation
commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab.
My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to
conclusions. It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" in
the least. Be patient and explore and tinker. We all have to learn it and
find techniques and tips to pass along to one another.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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Twitter, @macfortheblind
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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple å³°roducts, but I have to say, what in
> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking! Maybe I am just not very
> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing.
>
> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler? OK, how
> do you figure that? You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, but
> lookat. Let me give my! point a vew.
>
> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone. Granted it's in a popup
> button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in the darn
> middle of the screen it seems. This means without the item chooser, it's a
> pain in the butt! to get to that popup button. I can't even jump over a lot
> of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right arrow. If I do that,
> there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to the source popup, as it's
> on the top most row of the screen, so down would take me too low, and vo+up
> won't work, as you kind a already are! on the top upper most column of the
> screen, so... there went that! idea. Second of all, at least that I so far
> can see, though I could be incorrect on this assumption, and dear God I hope
> that I am, there is no longer a list view. It's totally grid based now. Not
> that this is really per sey an issue, but it does make navigating a little
> bit more confusing, I'll sure as heck tell you that!
>
> OK, let's talk about something that for a change I do! actually like. I love
> the fact that they have given us the option of sorting our music by songs,
> artist, playlist, genre, or even album just by hitting vo+space on whichever
> button near the top of the screen. In that sense, I think that was an
> excellent idea. No, I'm not being sarcastic at all! I mean it! That really
> was pretty cool. The only issue is, say you go under albums. Now you go to
> the bottom of the screen and interact with the grid. I'm finding that
> pressing vo+down arrow after doing so is only reading the first 13 or so
> things in the list. Past this point, it insists to only say row 14, row 15,
> row 16, etc. it won't read the album. Not only this, but with the ones it
> does read, it's only telling me the album title, and not the artist along
> with it, so I have no way necessarily of knowing who the album is by, unless
> I'm already familiar with the disc. Fortunately, I know my music quite well,
> so thus, I usually can tell who the disc is by, but that could change down
> the road.
>
> Here's something else really gross in my view. I did a search while in album
> view sorting for "Testify to Love." Once I did this, I noticed as I typed,
> it made the most God! aweful! sound I've ever heard from my macbook speakers.
> Scared the buh Jesus! outta me! Anyway, rellavant as that is, LOL! I then
> vo+right arrowed and found that it showed the results. I found Testify to
> Love by Avalon from the A Maize of Grace album. So, I thought ok, bingo! I
> hit vo+space on it. Ding? Ding ding? What the heck! Finally I tried to
> stop interacting. Turns out, that stupid popup that came up apparently was
> being interacted with. After I stopped, I was able to access the grid, but
> all I saw was a grid of all the albums I had by Avalon. Vo+Space on them
> doesn't seem to be doing anything more so than bringing up the album details
> screen. Once in that screen, I saw where it said songs, then it said 1.
> Testify to Love, and that was the only song showing. I presume this is
> because that is the track that I searched for, so it's not gonna populate the
> whole album. OK, fine, whatever. That makes sense I guess, whatever. I hit
> vo+space on that. Again, let's hear the nice ding dong merrily on high, the
> mackin bells are dingging. What the birdy butt sky, I can't do a darn thing
> thing. OK, enough with my smartass comments. You get the point though.
>
> Here's something else. Each device you have connected like an IPhone, or an
> IPad, etc. apparently appears at the top of the screen, again, the very top
> row, so forget vo+up or down to quickly get there. You gotta move about 7
> or so times to the right from the top left corner, so there again went your
> really quick navigation. OK, fine, Voiceover hotspots to the rescue, yeah,
> sure thing, but, that's ludicrus to have to do that just to make very very
> vital points of the app easier to quickly access. I mean, come? On! Give,
> me, a break! Before you flame me, and say, Chris? your attitude is totally!
> uncalled for, let me just say this. For a new Voiceover user, not that I am
> one, but let's only just for a moment say that I were, this interface would
> be ridiculously! confusing! Is it accessible? Yes. Extremely so, but just
> because it's accessible doesn't mean it's clean. Frankly, this is probably
> the most disgusting interface of any! Apple based app with the exception of
> IPhoto that I ever have seen in my life! And before you say it, oh? baby?
> have I ever! contacted Apple Accessibility regarding this. I was very
> polite, don't worry, but I did tell them up front, between them over charging
> me for my last ITunes purchase which by the way, they are refusing to refund,
> then other things I won't go into here on list, plus then, now this? I mean
> God! Bless!
>
> Oh, here's one more thing, that popup that came up that I was automatically
> interacting with when I did the search for Testify to love? I saw a button
> in there for adding the track to up next. OK, based on the thread already up
> here, I know now what that is, and it actually honestly sounds really really
> awesome. It'll be great to queue things up like that with crossfading
> enabled when I use Nicecast to do my internet broadcasts, but here's the
> thing. I hit vo+space on that, and I guess it added it, but then I went back
> up and hit play. Nothing played though what so ever.
>
> Frankly? I think I'm just gonna quit using ITunes and go v l c. This is
> ridiculous! If I need music, apps, etc. I'll just use my i o s devices. I'm
> sorry, but this is down right yuck in my book.
>
> Before you say anything, let me say this final comment then I'll be done, I
> swear. Most of you, probably not all, but a ton of you probably are gonna
> write me back either on list or off, most likely on, and try imbarrassing the
> heck outta me either purposefully or not, by saying my attitude is totally
> unacceptable, and that more so my choice of slang is only more to show my
> ignorance. Allow me to say this. I do all my work business wize with the
> help of I O S and my copy of ITunes. Whether that is promoting my debut
> single in ITunes by playing it for people I meet on my phone, or it's me
> using my phone as a calendar/roledex, or it's me using apps like LookTel or
> whatever, to simplify my independence. The bottom line is: ITunes for me is
> a big! big! deal. To not have good access to it is extremely! extremely!
> irritating. I never said I can't, nor will, get the hang eventually of the
> new version, and frankly, like it or not, I really don't have much of a
> choice in the matter. I understand that. So, I'll apologize firstly and
> foremost in advance to anyone whom this e-mail may offend with my wordage, or
> verbiage there of, but understand that when you have an app that works so
> fantasticly, then companies think that they have to implement eye candy and
> totally middle F*** the interface, that makes me extremely! angry. If it's
> not broken, then God, darnit? don't fixit! I dono why for so many companies,
> that's so hard to understand.
>
> OK, enough sauga. I'm off to learn this new damned thing. Anyone wanna
> gamble with me if I figure it out or not? LOL! Just kidding. Hey! I had to
> make ya smile after reading all that crap, somehow, ey?
>
> Chris.
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