Where do you go to turn on grouping? On Oct 28, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> All it does is groups certain things together so you more quickly can jump > over them. Plus, it will thus cluster more things into one item, thus making > it easy to read in bigger chunks. Basically, then within a group of things, > if you want to then click a link within a group, or get to a form within a > group etc. then you interact with that group within the ntml content. > > HTH. > > Thank you kindly, > > Christopher-Mark Gilland. > Founder of CLG Productions > > Blog: > http://www.clgproductions.org > > Podcast: > http://clgproductions.podhoster.com > > E-mail: > ch...@clgproductions.com > > IMessage/Facetime: > theblindmusic...@att.net > > Windows Live Messenger: > ch...@blindperspectives.net > > Twitter: > @chris28210 > > Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland > > Skype: > twinklesfriend2007 > > Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: > 704-697-2069 > > Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): > 980-272-8570 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Hall > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:52 PM > Subject: grouping web items (was mastering the mac) > > Vo-u is a handy feature. I guess my main sticking point is the lack of a flat > representation, so that absolutely every element has to be separated and read > individually, with accompanying pauses in speech even with sounds muted. I > tried grouping once, but it was much more awkward on forums than dom order so > I turned it off. Perhaps I don't really understand how it works? Could you > explain that further? > On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:46 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It might just be an opinion thing, but between the rotor, quick navigation >> by headings, tables, etc. Plus the fact I turned on Group navigation instead >> of dom order, then the item chooser, plus vo+F, vo+G, and Vo+Shift G, I find >> it is extremely pleasant of an experience. Again, it's just my opinion, I >> never said you had to agree with it. LOL! >> >> Chris. >> >> >> Thank you kindly, >> >> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >> Founder of CLG Productions >> >> Blog: >> http://www.clgproductions.org >> >> Podcast: >> http://clgproductions.podhoster.com >> >> E-mail: >> ch...@clgproductions.com >> >> IMessage/Facetime: >> theblindmusic...@att.net >> >> Windows Live Messenger: >> ch...@blindperspectives.net >> >> Twitter: >> @chris28210 >> >> Facebook: >> http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland >> >> Skype: >> twinklesfriend2007 >> >> Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: >> 704-697-2069 >> >> Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): >> 980-272-8570 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alex Hall >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:14 PM >> Subject: Re: mastering the mac >> >> I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not >> trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some >> fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net >> forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On >> Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. >> However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, >> regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is >> NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant >> that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, >> speeding up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text >> linking to other websites. It also helped when links were laid out >> horizontally, such as a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could >> still tab to a link, but if you wanted to skip all the links it was the >> matter of a single keypress. On the mac you must press an arrow for every >> link, plus one for any static text between the links such as a vertical bar >> or comma. >> On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the >>> most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens >>> to be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not >>> if I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google >>> Chrome! >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> Thank you kindly, >>> >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >>> Founder of CLG Productions >>> >>> Blog: >>> http://www.clgproductions.org >>> >>> Podcast: >>> http://clgproductions.podhoster.com >>> >>> E-mail: >>> ch...@clgproductions.com >>> >>> IMessage/Facetime: >>> theblindmusic...@att.net >>> >>> Windows Live Messenger: >>> ch...@blindperspectives.net >>> >>> Twitter: >>> @chris28210 >>> >>> Facebook: >>> http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland >>> >>> Skype: >>> twinklesfriend2007 >>> >>> Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: >>> 704-697-2069 >>> >>> Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): >>> 980-272-8570 >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Alex Hall >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: mastering the mac >>> >>> It's not you, I think the web browsing experience is smoother on windows >>> because screen readers use a flat representation, so they can do things >>> like read text like a document, not stop at links in text, and so on. I >>> prefer web browsing on windows, just not enough to sacrifice everything >>> else the mac does better. I also like the iCloud tabs feature and really >>> easy downloads interface, just not the actual web browsing experience. >>> >>> As to first letter navigation, just go to the vo utility, the commanders >>> category, the quicknav tab, and check the relevant box. Once in a great >>> while it will still fail, but you can use vo-cmd with many keys to move >>> around if that happens. Vo-cmd-h, for instance, moves to the next heading. >>> >>> For edit fields, I find they behave oddly with quicknav on. If that >>> happens, I just turn it off, type my text, and turn it on if I need it. >>> Between the vo-cmd keystrokes and the web rotor (vo-u), though, I don't use >>> quicknav much at all anymore. >>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Kliphton <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day >>>>> present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way >>>>> around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am >>>>> pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with >>>>> tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few >>>>> advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item >>>>> chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. >>>>> But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use >>>>> windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course >>>>> to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me >>>>> get over this safari hump? I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up >>>>> first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields. >>>>> Other than that, I think I got it. But all suggestions are welcome >>>>> please! >>>>> >>>>> Kliphton Senior >>>>> >>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>> >>>>> (iMessage, facetime&Email) kliph...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> (Life Journal) Kliphton.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> (Sharrie’s ScratchPad) missie844.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>> mehg...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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