Hi Alex,

If you use the shift key, wouldn't that select text with the commands you 
referenced?  I tried VO-Shift Home and VO-Home, and I couldn't tell a 
difference in where I landed on the web page I tested.

Les
On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to be clear, vo-shift-home (vo-shift-fn-left on mac keyboards with no 
> home/end) takes you to the top of whatever vo is interacting with. If you 
> interact with a text field in a form, it will take you to the top of the 
> form. If you have only interacted with the html content, it will take you to 
> the top of the page. If you have not interacted with the html, or if vo stops 
> interacting such as when a new page loads, it will take you to the top of the 
> Safari window, to the close button. This command works everywhere, not just 
> in Safari, but you have to be sure you're interacting with the item whose top 
> you want to go to or you will be going to the top of the window a lot.
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Ioana Gandrabur <igandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Just want to address 2 issues that have a solution ooh might have missed. 
>> To go to top of page I find vo shift home works well. 
>> Second, after finishing editing a form in many it not most cases ooh don't 
>> need to find the go or the submit button. Just pressing enter will do it. 
>> Vest, 
>> 
>> Ioana 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Clifton
>>> I agree with you about Safari and that it is the most difficult thing to 
>>> master. I've had my mac for less time than you but I just don't get a sense 
>>> of the web page like I do in windows. Getting to the top of a page can be 
>>> difficult sometimes, and even scrolling with the track pad doesn't seem to 
>>> move the cursor for me sometimes. I seem to have to uninteract and interact 
>>> again when refreshing pages, and sometimes Safari throws you out of a 
>>> webpage altogether and you're in the tool bar without knowing how you got 
>>> there.
>>> That said, I find edit fields not too bad. I have my tab key set to 
>>> automatically interact when I use it. This way, I can tab through a form 
>>> and fill it in without interacting each time because the tab key does it 
>>> for me. At the end of the form I have to carefully uninteract and arrow 
>>> around to find the "go" button or whatever. But it does work. And while 
>>> tables are annoying, I seem to find it easier to navigate them in Safari to 
>>> quickly skip to the right column where a relevant field is that I want. In 
>>> JAWS, I don't always know I"m in a table so don't think to do this.
>>> I like the item chooser because it doesn't just do links but anything. In 
>>> JAWS you have to bring up separate lists for buttons, links, etc, and 
>>> sometimes you don't know whether something is a button or a link.
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents worth.
>>> Good luck persevering with Safari.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
>>> On 29/10/2012, at 2:15 PM, Kliphton <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day 
>>>>> present.  I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way 
>>>>> around the OS, and how it worked.  Over 18 months later, I'd say I am 
>>>>> pretty good, and can even help others.  I know how to inter act with 
>>>>> tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few 
>>>>> advanced things.  My biggest challenge has been safari.  I use the item 
>>>>> chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by.  
>>>>> But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE.  I still have to use 
>>>>> windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course 
>>>>> to download torrents.  But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me 
>>>>> get over this safari hump?  I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up 
>>>>> first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields.  
>>>>> Other than that, I think I got it.  But all suggestions are welcome 
>>>>> please!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kliphton Senior
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>>>>> 
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>>>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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