Oh, that makes sense.
Donna
On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> The music under discussion is music gotten outside of iTunes.
> 
> On 2011-11-05, at 10:49 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
> 
>> I hope I'm not being dense here, but I don't get it.  So you're saying that 
>> if I stick a CD into my computer and import that CD into iTunes, I end up 
>> with two copies of the file?  Obviously one is in the iTunes media folder, 
>> but where on earth would the other one be?  All of my music is either 
>> purchased from the iTunes store, or imported directly from CDs I owned, so I 
>> don't see how I'm ending up with duplicate copies.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't understand some parts of this.  Yes, iTunes is library dependant.  
>>> But I don't look at this as a negative.  Yes, it does make a duplicate copy 
>>> when you import a song but, only if you want it to.  You can easily go into 
>>> iTunes preferences and under advanced uncheck Copy files to iTunes Media 
>>> folder when adding to library.  But, since I have my music and other media 
>>> save on the harddrive of my computer, I prefer this on when copying music 
>>> from an external drive.  I admit, it takes some work to set up iTunes the 
>>> first time if you have a large library.  But after that, its super easy to 
>>> use in my opinion.  As for just playing a song in my finder, I just use 
>>> quick look.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, to speak frankly, I will tell you; at least from my point of view.  
>>>> With regard to ITunes as a player, (and mind you I speak here strictly in 
>>>> terms of the layer itself), I can't argue with it.  Well, almost.  ITunes 
>>>> doesn't do ENQ.  Okay, there's the ITunes DJ thingie I grant you, but, I 
>>>> can't find tracks easily with that, and, besides, I don't want to be 
>>>> adding tracks and files to the ITunes Library all the time just to make 
>>>> them easier to find.  Now, we come to the real issue.  ITunes is so damn 
>>>> library dependant.  The ITunes library really sucks!  Let's say I have the 
>>>> song "Life Without you" and it's in the .m4a for mat.  Well, I have it on 
>>>> my hard drive; but, when I add it to my ITunes library, it creates a 
>>>> duplicate file of exactly the same size.  That means I've got two copies 
>>>> of the file where as I only wish to have just one.  that's a waste of disk 
>>>> space.  The ITunes library is so cluncky it's beyond belief.  I have 
>>>> numorous loose files which are not tagged and which I have no wish to add 
>>>> to the ITunes Library thus making unnecessary duplicates.  Much better, so 
>>>> far as I am concerned, to have a layer which has ENQ and which can be 
>>>> triggered directly from the finder window.  In short, you locate your 
>>>> first file in the finder, and, you can ENQ that file in to your player 
>>>> directly.  Then, the next file and the next and so forth.  The player 
>>>> would also allow you to directly control the cross fading between files 
>>>> and no lag time at all between files.  That's just the start.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook:
>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I hear people say this a lot but, really?  Whats so bad about iTunes on 
>>>>> the Mac?  I have no problems with it what so ever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:57 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi donna,  Just about anything is preferable to ITunes, but I think 
>>>>>> right now it's just the novelty of the thing for us windows switchers 
>>>>>> who have fond memories of winamp for windows.  Especially before it got 
>>>>>> bought out by AOL.  These days I get my windows clients to start out on 
>>>>>> the KM player since winamp is now chuck full of bloatware.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not tempted to try it myself since vlc does what I need but winamp 
>>>>>> for the mac has been too long in coming for sure.  Hopefully the great 
>>>>>> pioneers on this list will convince AOL to take an accessible direction 
>>>>>> with winamp development and then we'll have yet another option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Erik Burggraaf
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2011-11-05, at 8:43 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I haven't really followed the winamp thread, but I'm curious as to why 
>>>>>>> anyone would go to all the trouble that seems to be involved in using 
>>>>>>> it?  Is there some reason that it's preferable to iTunes?
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
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