And, don't forget too, that redistributing Lion without Apple's soul permission 
is strictly prohibbitted by copy right.

It's a nice offer, Cliff, and we know you were trying to help, thank you for 
that, but please be careful.

Chris.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Donna Goodin 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: The lion sleeps tonight


  Thanks, Cliff.  It sounds like I can take care of it directly through the app 
store, so I'll try it that way.  I appreciate the offer though.
  Best,
  Donna


  On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:


    If someone could tell me how to put the image on my public disk, and how to 
retrieve my public disk name, I could put it there so you can get it.HTH

    Kliphton SR
    (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72
    (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
    Sent from my IMac


    On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:


      Hey Ricardo,


      Well, I'm glad to hear that this isn't normal.  I may see if I can do  a 
clean install, and hopefully some of this will go a way.  Do you happen to know 
how one can do a second install?  I didn't make a DVD, so the executable 
install app is now gone.
      Thanks,
      Donna


      On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


        OMG Donna!  What a horror show.


        It sounds like you might want to do a clean install of Lion.  This 
isn't normal behavior at all.


        The only one of your experiences I've shared is the butchering of 
iTunes.  I think this is more do to the new iTunes than Lion though. 


        Ricardo Walker
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        On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:


          Hi Ricardo,

          I'm finding VO to be *very sluggish.  It seems like its speaking 
items a good half second after I initiate an action.

          I also don't seem to be able to close apps any more.  When I think 
I've closed an app, if I try and open it later, VO says "App x is running in 
the background."  I presume one has to close apps from the launchpad now or 
something, but that seems much more cumbersome than just being able to press 
Cmd-Q.

          iTunes is *ungodly slow, honestly, it's as bad as being on a Windows 
machine.  And you don't seem to be able to scroll down through your list of 
songs any more, though this may be part of the speed issue.

          Lastly, VO doesn't seem to track very well.  For example, when I open 
an app, I'm taken to the desktop, and have to perform a Cmd-tab to actually get 
myself into the app.

          Lastly, I installed Samantha, but gave up on her.  I'm now back with 
Victoria.  Samantha was not indicating sentence endings at all.  If there was a 
period, she just went right on reading with no pause or inflection, as though 
the period wasn't even there.
          As I've said, I was gone most of last night, so haven't had a ton of 
time to sort through things yet.  But those are some of the things I'm not 
liking at the moment.  As I think Zack said, hopefully there will be an update 
that will address some of these things.
          Best,
          Donna

          On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


            Ah.



            I've caught this thread in the middle.  besides Mail, what bad 
experiences are you having?

            On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:



              Well, that is why I said at this point.  But so far, I haven't 
changed my mind.  The features you mentioned are nice, but not sure they 
outweigh the disadvantages I've seen so far.  Again, JMO.

              Donna



              On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:



                Hi Donna,



                What about activities?  I think the ability to create a 
voiceover profile for individual apps is a really good feature.  And being able 
to navigate the web with 1 letter navigation when using quick nav.  So instead 
of pressing VO command H to go to the next heading for example, you can just 
press the letter H.

                On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:



                  Hi Bryan,



                  At this point, the only reason I see for upgrading is the 
voices in other languages.  Just my opinion, of course.

                  Best,

                  Donna





                  On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Brian Miller wrote:



                    I haven't seen anyone say one way or the other whether or 
not one ought to

                    download and install Lion... Can we be certain it is the 
best thing for

                    those of us who use Voice Over?  What are the changes?  
What are the

                    benefits?  



                    I'm a little reluctant to just download Lion because it is 
there.  



                    What happens if I don't download it?



                    Brian Miller



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