And I thrid, that ITunes is being a pain in a place where the sun don't shine.

Chris.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ricardo Walker 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:12 AM
  Subject: Re: The lion sleeps tonight


  OMG Donna!  What a horror show.


  It sounds like you might want to do a clean install of Lion.  This isn't 
normal behavior at all.


  The only one of your experiences I've shared is the butchering of iTunes.  I 
think this is more do to the new iTunes than Lion though. 


  Ricardo Walker
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  On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:


    Hi Ricardo,

    I'm finding VO to be *very sluggish.  It seems like its speaking items a 
good half second after I initiate an action.

    I also don't seem to be able to close apps any more.  When I think I've 
closed an app, if I try and open it later, VO says "App x is running in the 
background."  I presume one has to close apps from the launchpad now or 
something, but that seems much more cumbersome than just being able to press 
Cmd-Q.

    iTunes is *ungodly slow, honestly, it's as bad as being on a Windows 
machine.  And you don't seem to be able to scroll down through your list of 
songs any more, though this may be part of the speed issue.

    Lastly, VO doesn't seem to track very well.  For example, when I open an 
app, I'm taken to the desktop, and have to perform a Cmd-tab to actually get 
myself into the app.

    Lastly, I installed Samantha, but gave up on her.  I'm now back with 
Victoria.  Samantha was not indicating sentence endings at all.  If there was a 
period, she just went right on reading with no pause or inflection, as though 
the period wasn't even there.
    As I've said, I was gone most of last night, so haven't had a ton of time 
to sort through things yet.  But those are some of the things I'm not liking at 
the moment.  As I think Zack said, hopefully there will be an update that will 
address some of these things.
    Best,
    Donna

    On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


      Ah.



      I've caught this thread in the middle.  besides Mail, what bad 
experiences are you having?

      On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:



        Well, that is why I said at this point.  But so far, I haven't changed 
my mind.  The features you mentioned are nice, but not sure they outweigh the 
disadvantages I've seen so far.  Again, JMO.

        Donna



        On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:



          Hi Donna,



          What about activities?  I think the ability to create a voiceover 
profile for individual apps is a really good feature.  And being able to 
navigate the web with 1 letter navigation when using quick nav.  So instead of 
pressing VO command H to go to the next heading for example, you can just press 
the letter H.

          On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:



            Hi Bryan,



            At this point, the only reason I see for upgrading is the voices in 
other languages.  Just my opinion, of course.

            Best,

            Donna





            On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Brian Miller wrote:



              I haven't seen anyone say one way or the other whether or not one 
ought to

              download and install Lion... Can we be certain it is the best 
thing for

              those of us who use Voice Over?  What are the changes?  What are 
the

              benefits?  



              I'm a little reluctant to just download Lion because it is there. 
 



              What happens if I don't download it?



              Brian Miller



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