I don't have much use for AHP/ now, if that changes (I start doing podcasts, etc) then there will be a need for it. still, AHP isn't the root of my problem here. its a memory leak and may be tied to the older hardware I am running.
-Eric On Mar 17, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: > and what about those of us who can not do without it, also how does this > explain why I am told that the new I5 macbok pro doesn't have the o issues? > How many of us have 13" macbooks? > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> A detailed search for the problems listed in the crash report indicate a >> memory leak involving several libraries. audio hijack pro I can do without. >> unfortunately, once its installed, its pretty hard to find all its >> components and remove them. right now though, I don't have a sufficiently >> large enough backup drive to backup all my data to. so, a reinstall is not >> possible currently. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: >> >>> Erick, that's very unfortunate. >>> I know that growl causes some problems with Voice over and the way that >>> audio hijack pro intercepts sound may cause problems as well. >>> If however, you say that you are experiencing this behavior even before >>> install applications, have you thought of this being something hardware >>> related? >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> Nektarios. >>> >>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> I wish I was overstating the problem. >>>> as for installed utilities. I have soundflower, audio hijack pro, growl, >>>> Skype and adium. I can tell you, the issues started even from a clean >>>> install before having any of these utilities/applications installed. I >>>> have included one of the crash handler reports as an attached text file. >>>> this happens 5 or 6 times a day. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well well, even if you didn't before, now you are definitely overstating >>>>> things and rather badly. >>>>> As we can tell from the various posts about this subject, there are many >>>>> people on this list who don't have the problem and especially with the >>>>> frequency and behavior you are describing. >>>>> Du to the way you are describing your experience with Mac OS, and the >>>>> attitude you have towards this situation I have to ask. >>>>> Have you considered that you may have installed something yourself that >>>>> compromises the stability of Voice Over or your system in general? >>>>> Finally, I would rather press command + f5 a couple of times to get Voice >>>>> Over back, if that ever happens to me, than use a poorly written, overly >>>>> expensive trash like Jaws. >>>>> >>>>> Nektarios. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> zack, >>>>>> I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, >>>>>> and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously >>>>>> considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been >>>>>> occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off >>>>>> then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I >>>>>> do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is >>>>>> linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). >>>>>> >>>>>> so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 >>>>>> machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another >>>>>> $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since >>>>>> I don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>>>> I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, >>>>>>> but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as >>>>>>> often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 >>>>>>> or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's >>>>>>> not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could >>>>>>> be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which >>>>>>> when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I >>>>>>>> have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better >>>>>>>> with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken >>>>>>>> library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices >>>>>>>> to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug >>>>>>>> reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a >>>>>>>> swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of >>>>>>>> us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would >>>>>>>> have to do something about this problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described >>>>>>>>> might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time >>>>>>>>> Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to >>>>>>>>> recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and >>>>>>>>> then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has >>>>>>>>> worked since "Shut Down" is the default selection in this dialogue.. >>>>>>>>> I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, >>>>>>>>> apprising them of something they probably already know by now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My best to all and thanks again, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest >>>>>>>>>> way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press >>>>>>>>>> control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As >>>>>>>>>> soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will >>>>>>>>>> restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on >>>>>>>>>> my iMac. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For >>>>>>>>>>> reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, >>>>>>>>>>> especially when I am using Mail. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to >>>>>>>>>>> "unload itself," and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit >>>>>>>>>>> Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its >>>>>>>>>>> disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear >>>>>>>>>>> at will. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be >>>>>>>>>>> causing it? 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