I never turn my machine off (if I can help it). its harder on the electronics to powercycle. perhaps turning off at night would probably not be a bad plan.
-Eric On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote: > Hello, > > I too suffer this, but not often enough to be a real problem. > > Eric, > Do you leave your Mac on for long periods of time? Do you use sleep more than > shutdown? Do you have one or more VMs using a lot of RAM? I wonder if this is > some kind of memory leak problem, in VO or somewhere else in SL? > I have the feeling whenever it happened to me I had the Mac running for some > time - I mostly use it after work hours and always shutdown instead of sleep. > > > HTH, > André > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> the problems appear at random but with increasing frequency. >> I'd take a trip to my local apple store, but its like 40 miles across town >> and I don't venture out much during the day (my eyes hurt too damned much). >> >> I have run all the maintenance tools here. so far, nothing is detected as >> being wrong. in fact, VO just dropped out on me while typing the last >> sentence. >> >> I don't have any concurrent systems running here. I don't even own a copy of >> windows. >> >> right now, re-installing would be a major PITA. I have too much work on my >> drive and no place to back it up to. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:54 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric >>> >>> Have you tried some of the general maintenance things such as utilities >>> first aid, verifying and repairing permissions, or doing any re-installs? >>> It would seem to me that if this problem is occurring that often, you could >>> get it to reproduce for one of the geniuses at your Apple store and seek >>> some resolution. If you are running windows on this machine, is it >>> possible that there is a conflict caused by the two systems clashing? >>> Just a couple of my thoughts. >>> Carolyn HOn Mar 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> zack, >>>> I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, >>>> and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously >>>> considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been >>>> occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off >>>> then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I >>>> do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is linux >>>> only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). >>>> >>>> so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 >>>> machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another >>>> $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I >>>> don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>> I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, >>>>> but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often >>>>> as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two >>>>> solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not >>>>> loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be >>>>> stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when >>>>> it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I >>>>>> have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with >>>>>> time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in >>>>>> any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to >>>>>> accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug >>>>>> reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift >>>>>> kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would >>>>>> do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do >>>>>> something about this problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described >>>>>>> might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time >>>>>>> Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover >>>>>>> has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just >>>>>>> press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since >>>>>>> "Shut Down" is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will >>>>>>> definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of >>>>>>> something they probably already know by now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My best to all and thanks again, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way >>>>>>>> to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This >>>>>>>> starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press >>>>>>>> escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on >>>>>>>> my iMac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For >>>>>>>>> reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, >>>>>>>>> especially when I am using Mail. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to >>>>>>>>> "unload itself," and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit >>>>>>>>> Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance >>>>>>>>> is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be >>>>>>>>> causing it? 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