Oh, I see and thanks for all the explanations.
On 5 Dec 2010, at 21:53, Jim Barbour wrote:

> Apple wants to motivate you to use their 99 cents per song service to
> get your ringtones.
> 
> That's why building your own is so fiddly.
> 
> On the other hand, that 99 cents per song helps to pay for voiceover.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 07:54:11PM +0000, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Why can't we just put an mp3 file in the ring tone section of Itunes?  all 
>> the other smart phones accept mp3 files as ring tones so I don't understand 
>> why the I phone can't?
>> On 5 Dec 2010, at 19:22, Jim Barbour wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Here's a rehash of a message I posted to the viphone list a while ago
>>> about getting ringtones from the iTunes store and a little about
>>> creating your own from scratch.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy, and feel free to reply with questions.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----------------
>>> 
>>> Hey Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I spent some time playing with ringtones this morning.  Here are a few
>>> things to note.
>>> 
>>> First, one can not buy ringtones directly from the iTunes store.  Even
>>> if one searches for ringtones, what one can find and buy is an m4a
>>> (music) version of the file.   To create ringtones with iTunes, 
>>> one has to buy the music file first, and then pay the iTunes store an
>>> additional 99 cents before iTunes will convert that music file into a
>>> ringtone.  Let me reiterate this, if you are going to use the iTunes
>>> store to get ringtones, you have to pay the iTunes store twice.  Once
>>> to buy the music, and then again to pay for permission to convert it
>>> to a ringtone.
>>> 
>>> Once you've decided to pay the extra 99 cents to the apple store,
>>> here's how you make a ringtone.
>>> 
>>> 1) In the menu bar, go to Edit, Preferences, and make sure Ringtones
>>>  is checked.
>>> 
>>> 2) find the music file you want to make a ring tone out of, and select
>>>  it.  Again, it must be music that was purchased from the iTunes store.
>>> 
>>> 3) in the menu bar, Go to store, create ringtone.  This brings up a
>>>  sound editor kind of like Goldwave.  From here, you select the 30
>>>  seconds of audio you want.  Note that voiceover doesn't work with
>>>  this part, so if you don't have sighted assistance you're stuck
>>>  with the first 30 seconds of the song, which is the default
>>>  selection.
>>> 
>>> 4) click the buy button.
>>> 
>>> 5) The ringtone will download and appear in your ringtones folder.
>>> 
>>> Finally, let me point out that one does not need to use iTunes to
>>> create ringtones, but other methods require additional software to do
>>> your music editing, and a lot of general fiddling around with files.
>>> 
>>> here are the basic steps, without the details of how to use each program.
>>> Several of us on this list know how to use Goldwave and iTunes if you
>>> need assistance.
>>> 
>>>  1) Take your music file and use an audio editor (like Goldwave) to
>>>     create a ringtone segment.  That is, a small (30 secs or less)
>>>     slice of the music, that will be your ringtone.   Note that
>>>     Goldwave can read and edit AAC files (files you bought from the
>>>     iTunes store), but will save your segment as an mp3 file.
>>> 
>>>  2) Use iTunes to convert this segment to AAC format.  NOTE: if you
>>>     can't find a "convert to AAC" option in the applications menu,
>>>     check your CD import settings and make sure they are set to
>>>     import CDs as AAC files.
>>> 
>>>  3) Rename the new segment file from whatever.m4a to whatever.m4r
>>> 
>>>  4) In iTunes, import the .m4r file.  control+o will bring up the
>>>     import dialog, and then find and import the .m4r file.  This
>>>     will put the m4r file in your ringtones folder, and will sync it
>>>     to your iPhone.
>>> 
>>> I hope this sheds some light on this.
>>> 
>>> Take Care Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:41:15AM -0800, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> Is this the method I can also use to get ring tones into my library?  God 
>>>> knows then how I'll get them to my phone, I'm hoping a sync will do it, 
>>>> but first I have to figure out how to get them from downloads to my 
>>>> library.  I'm going to try your instructions below.
>>>> 
>>>> Marlaina
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi chenelle,
>>>> 
>>>> If you've imported an Audio Book from CD and you wish it to be placed in 
>>>> the books portion of the sources List, do the following:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  Select the book or books from the music library and then press cmd-i 
>>>> for Get Info.
>>>> 2.  Press on the Options tab.
>>>> 3.  Press on the Kind pop-up and change it to Audio Book.
>>>> 4.  Press OK.
>>>> 
>>>> All items that were selected will now be placed in the Books area of the 
>>>> Sources List.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> On 2010-12-05, at 10:50 AM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> hi eric,
>>>>> i wanted to know  when putting  audio compact disc books like in the case 
>>>>> of the harry potter series. how do i devide m my music library and the 
>>>>> audio book library? also  this question can be answered off list if 
>>>>> possible. i wanted to know where i could go to purchase the harry potter  
>>>>> united kingdom  editions at? fill free to email me with  your answer to 
>>>>> that question. 
>>>>> i really appreciate it.
>>>>> sincerely, chenelle
>>>>> thanks again eric.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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