Thank you that is very kind of you and I may take you up on that offer.  I have 
thought about iWork as it might be the only option, was hoping the new version 
might be out by no.  I also believe OpenOffice is also VO friendly, anyone had 
experience with it?  Sadly i do need MS Office compatibility and it looks like 
the next version of Office is going to be no better.  Unfortunately I have to 
use Windows at work, wish they used Macs!

to be honest now I have got to grips with most of VoiceOver's shortcuts and 
Apple's keyboard shortcuts I find I am now whizzing around the mac faster than 
I did when I could see!!!!  I find with VoiceOver you have to do very little 
reaching for key strokes thanks to the rota and VO buttons and cursor 
keys/touch pad.  With jawS you have to use the number pad a lot and the 
function keys for surfing etc.  And there is a forms mode? What is all that 
about?
On 16 Jun 2010, at 23:33, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I can't speak to FB on windows, either, haven't used jaws in three years, 
> have no plans or desire to go back to windows!
> Have you tried iWork?  It has similar functionality to MS office and works 
> very well with VO.  You can also read and work with documents created by MS 
> office.  If you need to work wiht someone using office, you can easily save 
> documents in MS word, excell, and powerpoint formats.  If you have any 
> questions about any of this, feel free to email me off list.
> Olivia 
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> I have a 18 month old MacBook which has the new track pad and I also have a 
>> 2 and a half year old iMac and I have experienced the same problem with both 
>> machines.   was on the Apple site today and was trying to download a manual 
>> for the iPod Nano and VoiceOver had a heart attack.
>> Before Safari 5 I was using iChat to chat to friends via Facebook (jabber) 
>> and now it won't work, it connects ok but all I see is a series of numbers 
>> when someone tries to chat to me.  Very frustrating as I have only been a VO 
>> user for 2 months as I lost my vision in March.  I have been a mac user for 
>> 10 years.
>> 
>> Sadly many apps I used to use do not really work with VO such MS Office, MSN 
>> Messenger keeps crashing and I am unable to use Logic Pro 9 and Reason.  I 
>> have emailed the makers of Reason and they tell me they have no plans to add 
>> VO support to their products (money down the drain for me then), just hoping 
>> Apple add support to Logic.
>> 
>> All in all VO is wonderful and very easy to use, its the third party 
>> developers that are the problem.  I also wish Facebook was easier to use, I 
>> am having to switch between Mac and Iphone to use it and VO is not a 
>> pleasurable experience on either device.  I can't say at this stage if fb is 
>> any better on Windows with JAWS.  I will be learning JAWS for work soon.
>> On 16 Jun 2010, at 22:00, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder the same thing.  My macbook is a year old and has the current 
>>> trackpad and specs.  I am out of town, but am going to wait until I get 
>>> home to update my iMac, which I got in December of 2009.  It will be 
>>> interesting to see whether they have the same problems.
>>> 
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm really curious. I'm not experiencing any of these issues with Safari 
>>>> 5. I use Safari all day to research the answers to queries in the 
>>>> translations I do. I also use Audible.com and have no problems with that, 
>>>> either.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering if this depends on the hardware being used. I have a 
>>>> 3-year-old MacBook which has a couple of major differences from the 
>>>> current crop of Laptops. The volume is controlled by F4 and F5, and it 
>>>> just has a normal trackpad, not the multi-touch variety that can be used 
>>>> with the trackpad commander. Oh yes, and there's only one Option key. 
>>>> There is an Enter key on the right where the new ones have the second 
>>>> Option key.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
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