| Hi all! I’m learning Spanish and am a native English speaker and both languages have some similarities but they are very different in many other ways. I see the same thing with learning the Mac after learning Windows, my native computer language of sorts, having used Windows computers for years, and still use them. Learning the Mac is easier than learning Spanish, having not learned a language before Spanish, of course, long after the normal process of learning English as a native that most folks call, learning how to talk. I remember learning how to use both Windows and relearning Windows as new updates come along, but that’s still a bit different than learning the Mac because they speak different languages when you go to use their buttons. The commands are a lot different on a Mac than on a Windows, even though they share similarities. The Mac and the Windows have cognates like using control to mute a screen reader, but more often than not, they don’t share such things like that one. I’m still in the calture shock stage of learning the Mac, but having a background with the language of Windows and being a user of the iphone since 2012 does offer a foundation to start with, but just like learning Spanish after a good 30 years of speaking English under my belt, you still get the features that are so new that it takes away while to catch on to them, even long after you can explain what those features are and the rules behind them. Voice Over on a Mac is a different language than Voice Over on an iphone, but they still have a lot more similarities in between them than Voice Over and JAWS or Voice Over and NVDA. I have both JAWS and NVDA installed on both of my Windows computers in edition to Voice Over on all of my Apple devices. I’m also learning the iPad and the Apple Watch which all use Voice Over, but they also have differences according to the programing on each device. Just like learning Spanish, you have to take your time with learning a Mac because eventually, you’ll get the hang of it with practice, but that’s it! You have to do it with practice in the wild. No class will teach you everything that I’m aware of in existence for any language or tech device in existence. Kendra Sent from my iPhone
Yeah I'm already doing that.
Instead of insert Z I find sometimes do the left and right arrow thing to turn quick nav off.
I've done alt c and alt x forgetting that oops alt is alt on windows not command.
I've missed this thread as I was on vacation but to keep myself sane when using safari for instance I gthink to myself it's a weerd fire fox with a weerd doesn't go to the bottum like you'd expect when wanting to see your Youtube notifacations NVDA.
Yeah VO feels NVDA at times.
Yes indeed. Also, in regards to both systems, if you know Windows and Mac well, it’s not that hard,. That being said I have had the occasional Brain fart when I do a Command Q on Windows or alt f4r on the Mac and wonder
why nothing happens.
Hi all!
There is also the Mac class at IBUG for those who currently own their first Mac computer or for those who have access to one and wish to learn it either for the very first time or as a blind user after going blind later in life. They run twice per year;
once in the fall and once in the spring. Make sure to regester ASAP if you wish to make the spring offering because they fill up, and I’m not sure if that one is already full. I’m finishing up the fall term one and it has been very helpful to me learning my
own Mac laptop. Yes, I still have Windows laptops, but I picked up a MacBook Pro last year around the winter hollidays and I wanted to learn how to use my Mac book pro so it’s not a glorified paperweight since I bought it to use it, and not as a very expensive
paperweight. You also get a lot of good resources to use both in the class and long after the class ends. You can also attend the IBUG Mac related meetings they offer to anyone, regardless of being in their Mac class. They run the main Mac talk on the fourth
Tuesday of each month and their Mac talk mini on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month. If you can’t or don’t want to take the Mac class, you can always attend these meetings to get your questions answered. Of course, you still have the manuals and
guides that exist, but from my own personal experience with learning tech in general, having human guides are much better than any kind of written guide. Not that you can’t use one in a pinch, but humans tend to be more accurate than the written guides when
they know what they’re doing. The ones at IBUG sertainly do so it’s worth a look. Many of the students in there own Macs they got for Christmas from their tech purchasing family members. Not all of them though because one is a teacher who has to teach the
Mac, one or two know the Mac when they were sighted, but they recently went blind and have to relearn the Mac from the Voice Over user’s perspective. Some have access to a Mac and are conciddering on getting one of their own and in one or two cases, they simply
want to know how to use one to help others such as the teacher. There are different folks in there who want to learn the Mac for different reasons and just owning your own Mac regardless of how you got it counts, so long as you either own it or you’re allowed
to learn off of someone else’s Mac with their permition. They don’t even care if you also own a Windows computer so long as you can use a Mac to do your homework on. You don’t have to take the Mac class, but it’s another good option to learn how to use one
for those, like me, who also have a background with owning and using Windows computers.
Kendra
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On Nov 22, 2025, at 10:13, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22/11/25 11:15, Dennis Long wrote:
I won’t bounce between operating systems.
Way to much to remember by doing that.
I do it frequently and never had a problem remembering.
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