Yes, the Apple thing is rather interesting in the menu, but typing in mes real 
quick should work. Me should also work.

> On Jul 2, 2024, at 19:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> One more thing.  In Ventura, when I pressed VO-M, VO said Menu.  Now when I 
> press it, it says Apple, and it seems to actually go into the Apple menu.  I 
> say this because, when I type the letters MES, I am taken to recent items.  
> So it seems that by pressing VO-M, I’m automatically taken into the apple 
> menu, not the upper layer of the menu list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 7:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Herbie,
>> 
>> I’ve rebooted, and I’m still having the same issue.  Is there some setting I 
>> need to change?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:13 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try restarting your VO as that should still work. I just tried your exact 
>>> steps and had no issues.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 16:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I just upgraded to Sonoma.  In the Mail app, I can no longer go to the 
>>>> messages menu by pressing Vo-M and then typing the letters MES.  The only 
>>>> way I seem to be able to navigate to messages is to arrow through all the 
>>>> menu options until I get to Messages, and then up arrow Under Messages 
>>>> until I get the option I want.  Is there really no faster way to do this 
>>>> in Sonoma?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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