I'm glad they finally have woken up, though I honestly don't personally care what they think. I love how the praise apple when it's convenient for them to do so, though. I read an article about VO they wrote a while back which just made my blood boil! I don't know if they've written an article on the mac platform since that one? Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:22 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> Although i've already posted on this, I just wanted to add that despite the > criticism that has been levelled at NFB - and rightly, they have commended > Apple's commitment to accesibility on the IPad. > TC > James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Rob wrote: > >> Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :) >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I was >>> going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the sake of >>> griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the same week. >>> Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, uninstall, >>> install, no matter what program, gives me the creeps. >>> >>> Sent from the iPad I wish I had >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Nic, >>>> >>>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >>>> along the same lines. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >>>>> for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >>>>> Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article >>>>> about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>>> >>>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >>>>> NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue >>>>> Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to >>>>> users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't >>>>> even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more >>>>> than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something >>>>> in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty >>>>> serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at >>>>> all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as >>>>> well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What >>>>> would they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, >>>>> and they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for >>>>> assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all >>>>> about competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of >>>>> course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done >>>>> something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted and >>>>> disgusting to me. >>>>> >>>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>>>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >>>>> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, >>>>> however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are >>>>> not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about >>>>> that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of >>>>> being kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their >>>>> product. That would make sense. >>>>> >>>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >>>>> even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. >>>>> People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the >>>>> interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for >>>>> everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, >>>>> or just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's >>>>> stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you >>>>> manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read >>>>> correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case >>>>> scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video >>>>> Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 >>>>> then reinstall JAWS 11. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the >>>>> ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this >>>>> corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper >>>>> look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative >>>>> about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when talking about the >>>>> actual lawsuit itself. >>>>> >>>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >>>>> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good >>>>> reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks >>>>> for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a >>>>> childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A >>>>> company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, and >>>>> they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on >>>>> the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >>>>>> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >>>>>> year term is up? 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