I agree. Apple truly does make productivity a pleasure! Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi, > > *grins* Sure do. I've got a coffee thermos next to me in my classroom. I'm > supposed to be diligently taking notes, but really, I'm writing blog posts, > tweeting, on seven messaging accounts, and browsing the web while taking > notes. > > That said, James has a point here. NFB did retract their statement, although > their statement still was really bias. It said they wanted to open it up for > dialog, yet they continue to trash Apple in the same post. > > It just saddens me why this has to happen. I love what Apple has done, and I > know they'll keep it up. I've never sent so many text messages from my > iPhone, never enjoyed a computer this much as a Mac, and had this much fun. > That's because I don't have to worry about any third-party installed screen > reading access software crashing, not starting up, giving me script errors, > and so-on. > > I've really found the accessibility team, regardless of my issue, extremely > responsive. The longest time I have waited for a reply to either a > suggestion, comment or issue is a full day. Not longer than that. They've > replied to all my e-mails except one, and I have sent quite a few of them. > But despite that, the feature I asked for was implemented. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Cody wrote: > >> Is laughing >> >> We got early morning coffee drinkers I see, this list is really jumpin >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <rmlambert1...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:27 AM >> Subject: Re: What do you think? >> >> >>> I saw they did and was surprised, and happy, to see that. >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:22 AM, "James & Nash" <james.austin1...@googlemail.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Although i've already posted on this, I just wanted to add that despite >>>> the criticism that has been levelled at NFB - and rightly, they have >>>> commended Apple's commitment to accesibility on the IPad. >>>> TC >>>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny >>>> On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Rob wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPod >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I >>>>>> was going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the >>>>>> sake of griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the >>>>>> same week. Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, >>>>>> uninstall, install, no matter what program, gives me the creeps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from the iPad I wish I had >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Nic, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major >>>>>>> rant along the same lines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been >>>>>>>> around for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do >>>>>>>> with it. Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The >>>>>>>> article about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to >>>>>>>> the NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not >>>>>>>> sue Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened >>>>>>>> to users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that >>>>>>>> can't even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done >>>>>>>> far more than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they >>>>>>>> had something in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that >>>>>>>> it is a pretty serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a >>>>>>>> fan of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously >>>>>>>> inaccurate statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has >>>>>>>> no reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly? >>>>>>>> Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone to pay >>>>>>>> more than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That >>>>>>>> wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about competition. If >>>>>>>> they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they would >>>>>>>> consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft >>>>>>>> has not. All these things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do >>>>>>>> with iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty >>>>>>>> ridiculous suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not >>>>>>>> the case, however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for >>>>>>>> PCs that are not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB >>>>>>>> doesn't care about that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, >>>>>>>> because NFB is scared of being kicked out, they do everything they >>>>>>>> can to stop people buying their product. That would make sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>>>>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have >>>>>>>> you even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's >>>>>>>> outrageous. People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just >>>>>>>> because the interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts >>>>>>>> like they do for everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their >>>>>>>> first complaint. JAWS, or just Windows in general, isn't even that >>>>>>>> stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult most of the time to >>>>>>>> reload the product. Even if you manage to do so, you will probably >>>>>>>> run into the screen not being read correctly when reading list boxes >>>>>>>> or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to >>>>>>>> uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept, >>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then >>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS 11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the >>>>>>>> ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this >>>>>>>> corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a >>>>>>>> proper look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always >>>>>>>> be negative about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when >>>>>>>> talking about the actual lawsuit itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone >>>>>>>> from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly >>>>>>>> good reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just >>>>>>>> sucks for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on >>>>>>>> a childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A >>>>>>>> company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, >>>>>>>> and they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still >>>>>>>> useful on the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple >>>>>>>>> is accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of >>>>>>>>> the agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. >>>>>>>>> Here's a question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, >>>>>>>>> who thinks Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements >>>>>>>>> after this three year term is up? 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