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From: "Rob" <rmlambert1...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: What do you think?
I saw they did and was surprised, and happy, to see that.
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:22 AM, "James & Nash"
<james.austin1...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
Although i've already posted on this, I just wanted to add that despite
the criticism that has been levelled at NFB - and rightly, they have
commended Apple's commitment to accesibility on the IPad.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Rob wrote:
Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :)
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I
was going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the
sake of griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the
same week. Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall,
install, uninstall, install, no matter what program, gives me the
creeps.
Sent from the iPad I wish I had
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk>
wrote:
Hello Nic,
Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major
rant along the same lines.
Cheers,
Anne
On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been
around for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do
with it. Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed.
The article about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much.
There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to
the NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not
sue Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they
listened to users using Outspoken and such, rather than an
organization that can't even review the product properly when it is
out. Apple has done far more than anyone for accessibility
improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and they sure
did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious statement. Of
course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. Saying that,
NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, far
outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What
would they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are
accessible, and they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook
costs for assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me
much. It's all about competition. If they think they're about to be
kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a threat. Because
Apple has done something Microsoft has not. All these things sound
really twisted and disgusting to me.
Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do
with iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty
ridiculous suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not
the case, however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for
PCs that are not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB
doesn't care about that. Which, again, leads me to believe that,
because NFB is scared of being kicked out, they do everything they
can to stop people buying their product. That would make sense.
Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I
suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have
you even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's
outrageous. People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just
because the interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts
like they do for everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their
first complaint. JAWS, or just Windows in general, isn't even that
stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult most of the time to
reload the product. Even if you manage to do so, you will probably
run into the screen not being read correctly when reading list boxes
or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to
uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept,
reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then
reinstall JAWS 11.
Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in
the ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not
this corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a
proper look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always
be negative about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when
talking about the actual lawsuit itself.
Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone
from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly
good reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization
just sucks for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm
going on a childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you
need to. A company is trying to provide great accessibility for
their products, and they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is
actually still useful on the Windows side, people. Quit your darn
nitpicking.
Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:
I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple
is accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of
the agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years.
Here's a question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second,
who thinks Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements
after this three year term is up? I apologize for making smooth
waters mirky, I just wanted to know what your take on this was.
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