I know this started as a topic of interest for most on the list but now it's going way off anything to do with the topic let alone what the list is for,
Could you guys take this off list as really it's getting personal between you both and frankly bloody annoying Simon F -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Monday, 14 May 2018 5:38 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Verification Schemes I am afraid I am clueless as to your meaning. My e-mail address, much as my home address belongs to me. Therefore I decide what I will or will not allow in both places, clearly contingent on politeness and respect. Speaking only for myself, such courtesy where e-mail is concerned begins with a public request to contact privately. You did not do this. Nor did mr. Cohn. In your case, if my further fortifying a general thread was an issue for you personally, you need only ignore my post and answer those directly important to your individual computing needs. Since you are continuing to comment I am left to wonder just who cannot take whatever is intended. Offense is a choice one I rarely indulge. I did so in mr. Con's case because he made public statements about my computing which had no baring on the thread, let alone little basics in fact...then he presumed I would have a reason to communicate with him privately. Without asking, and after assuming in public. I do not know Mr. Cohn, and would certainly not take such liberties were our situations reverse. There is nothing for me to take, and if you have the list in mind, may I respectfully suggest you focus on your personal needs, without commenting on what others can or cannot take privately, otherwise, or whatsoever? Just a thought, On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote: > Look Karen, we are not here to stir the pot. If you can't take it > private, too bad but spare the rest of the group. (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were > true? > > On 5/12/2018 8:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> This is a list of one? >> My reply was to Eric's comment, consider the concept of rule number >> 6..do not take things so personally. At least unless unwelcome >> communications sent privately etc. smiles. >> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 May 2018, E.T. wrote: >> >> > Karen, consider the fact that we all want better accessibility. >> > As you made clear, you are not me so if you cannot assist me in a >> > forthright manner, please do not try so hard. >> > >> > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it >> > were true? >> > >> > On 5/12/2018 8:08 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> > > Consider as well the problem for those who do not read English. >> > > They are a mess for many, hands down. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, 12 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote: >> > > >> > > > hey E.T., >> > > > Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind >> > > > folks >> > > (although > we probably notice it far more and far faster). >> > > There are some who have > other print related disabilities that >> > > would make Captcha solving a > nightmare. There are also those >> > > who are colorblind (both the red-green > and the far rarer >> > > monochromatic >> > > type) and some of the images would not > make any sense. >> > > > > Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became >> > > blind and I > know for certain that it would have caused me no >> > > end of trouble > (squiggly lines in among other squiggly lines >> > > supposedly mimicking > letters would be highly confusing). So, >> > > this problem is not strictly > one that exclusively targets the >> > > blind. Like I said upstairs, we just > notice it a lot faster. >> > > > > -eric >> > > > > PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 >> > > > > 6B68 >> > > > > 0386 >> > > > > On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote: >> > > > > > Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. >> > > > > > Let's >> > > take a > > more practical approach to this issue as >> > > blind/visually impaired > > users. Like Captcha Be Gone, or >> > > Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither > > of these will handle >> > > what I believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you > > aware of any blind >> > > friendly solutions? >> > > > > > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> > > > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> > > > > Many believe that we have been visited >> > > > > in the past. What if it were true? >> > > > > > > On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> > > > > > Mr. Cohn, >> > > > > > may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to >> > > > > > the >> > > point > > > that you would call me out in this thread? >> > > > > > I make my living professionally using computers as a >> > > > > > part of >> > > my > > > work. >> > > > > > I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I >> > > compute > > > rooted in many factors. >> > > > > > If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I >> > > > > > do, why >> > > do > > > you feel justified in judging how I use them, never >> > > having met me, > > > not paying my salary, nor last time I >> > > checked living my physical > > > experience? >> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > > > > >> > > <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Google authenticator right now is the >> > > checkbox labeled I am > > > > > not a bot. I have had luck with >> > > JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with > > > > > these not proceeding >> > > to the more traditional puzzles. I > > > > > believe that >> > > Karen uses a browser with no ability to work with > > > > > >> > > JavaScript, so I am surprised that she would be able to do most >> > > > > > > > activities on modern websites that use extensive CSS >> > > and > > > > > JavaScript to allow less transfer of information >> > > between > > > > > computers and systems. If you want to be >> > > fully safe at ensuring > > > > > access to all, then you will >> > > need a helpdesk service with the > > > > > ability to disable >> > > authenticators on a per account basis > > > > > (perhaps with a >> > > USB dongle with a security certificate). In > > > > >> > > > general security / privacy tools don't trust the services >> > > > needed > >> > > > > > > by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox versions >> > > > > > > have >> > > a > > > > > logo to indicate when accessibility services are >> > > enabled with > > > > > instructions that say if you are not >> > > using a screen reader or > > > > > other accessibility >> > > application and you see this logo you might > > > > > have an >> > > application that is a security risk. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Cohn >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 11, 2018, at >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:42 >> > > PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been playing email tag with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone >> > > who operates a web > > > > > > site that uses the picture >> > > captcha for people who sign up. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We talked about the 2-step >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verification >> > > method where one > > > > > > gets a code via text message. He >> > > is of the opinion that this > > > > > > isn prone to hacks. He >> > > chose to use the picture captcha after > > > > > > his site was >> > > overwhelmed with bots that created thousands of > > > > > > >> > > fake accounts. He also mentioned Google Authenticator and > > > >> > > > > > Authy. Anyone have experience with those? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late I have seen less of the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > captchas >> > > that uses letters > > > > > > and numbers and more of the >> > > picture captchas. I see the 2-step > > > > > > verification >> > > still but not as often. Due ti hearing, I've > > > > > > never >> > > tried the audio challenges but understand they are no > > > > > > >> > > better. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where this trend will >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take us >> > > but no doubt it > > > > > > will go away. What do you all see >> > > coming in the future? 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