Consider as well the problem for those who do not read English.
They are a mess for many, hands down.
On Sat, 12 May 2018, Eric Oyen wrote:
> hey E.T.,
> Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind folks
(although > we probably notice it far more and far faster). There
are some who have > other print related disabilities that would make
Captcha solving a > nightmare. There are also those who are
colorblind (both the red-green > and the far rarer monochromatic
type) and some of the images would not > make any sense.
> > Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became
blind and I > know for certain that it would have caused me no end
of trouble > (squiggly lines in among other squiggly lines
supposedly mimicking > letters would be highly confusing). So, this
problem is not strictly > one that exclusively targets the blind.
Like I said upstairs, we just > notice it a lot faster.
> > -eric
> > PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 0386
> > On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote:
> > > Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's
take a > > more practical approach to this issue as blind/visually
impaired > > users. Like Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not
mistaken, neither > > of these will handle what I believe are known
as re-Captcha. Are you > > aware of any blind friendly solutions?
> > > > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > Many believe that we have been visited
> > in the past. What if it were true?
> > > > On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Mr. Cohn,
> > > may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the
point > > > that you would call me out in this thread?
> > > I make my living professionally using computers as a part of
my > > > work.
> > > I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I
compute > > > rooted in many factors.
> > > If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why
do > > > you feel justified in judging how I use them, never having
met me, > > > not paying my salary, nor last time I checked living
my physical > > > experience?
> > > > > On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > > > >
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The Google authenticator right now is the
checkbox labeled I am > > > > > not a bot. I have had luck with JAWS
and NVDA and VoiceOver with > > > > > these not proceeding to the
more traditional puzzles. I > > > > > believe that Karen uses a
browser with no ability to work with > > > > > JavaScript, so I am
surprised that she would be able to do most > > > > > activities on
modern websites that use extensive CSS and > > > > > JavaScript to
allow less transfer of information between > > > > > computers and
systems. If you want to be fully safe at ensuring > > > > > access
to all, then you will need a helpdesk service with the > > > > >
ability to disable authenticators on a per account basis > > > > >
(perhaps with a USB dongle with a security certificate). In > > > >
> general security / privacy tools don't trust the services needed >
> > > > by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox versions have
a > > > > > logo to indicate when accessibility services are enabled
with > > > > > instructions that say if you are not using a screen
reader or > > > > > other accessibility application and you see this
logo you might > > > > > have an application that is a security risk.
> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Cohn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 11, 2018, at 9:42
PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've been playing email tag with someone
who operates a web > > > > > > site that uses the picture captcha
for people who sign up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > We talked about the 2-step verification
method where one > > > > > > gets a code via text message. He is of
the opinion that this > > > > > > isn prone to hacks. He chose to
use the picture captcha after > > > > > > his site was overwhelmed
with bots that created thousands of > > > > > > fake accounts. He
also mentioned Google Authenticator and > > > > > > Authy. Anyone
have experience with those?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of late I have seen less of the captchas
that uses letters > > > > > > and numbers and more of the picture
captchas. I see the 2-step > > > > > > verification still but not as
often. Due ti hearing, I've > > > > > > never tried the audio
challenges but understand they are no > > > > > > better.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where this trend will take us
but no doubt it > > > > > > will go away. What do you all see coming
in the future? I am > > > > > > most interested in the accessibility
angle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > > > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > > > Many believe that we have been visited
> > > > > > in the past. What if it were true?
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