slow? you call it slow when there is actually a concerted effort to hold back? sure, the excuses are legion. They say it will cost too much money to redesign their site. Accessibility is too complicated, and on and on. the fact is that they are too damned lazy and we aren't united enough to hit them where it hurts.
and you wonder why it is there are those of us who are so militant in our point of view. Education is all fine and good, but when happens when you run up against the wall of ignorance? anyway, as far as technology goes, it can be changed to work for us, but requires but a little effort. We just need to push, hard! -eric PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 0386 On May 12, 2018, at 8:39 PM, E.T. wrote: > Eric, > I have no doubt about that. We all want and need access. But its slow > coming. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 5/12/2018 7:23 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> hey E.T., >> Captcha is a big problem for far more than just us blind folks (although we >> probably notice it far more and far faster). There are some who have other >> print related disabilities that would make Captcha solving a nightmare. >> There are also those who are colorblind (both the red-green and the far >> rarer monochromatic type) and some of the images would not make any sense. >> Now, I had a very big problem with dyslexia before I became blind and I know >> for certain that it would have caused me no end of trouble (squiggly lines >> in among other squiggly lines supposedly mimicking letters would be highly >> confusing). So, this problem is not strictly one that exclusively targets >> the blind. Like I said upstairs, we just notice it a lot faster. >> -eric >> PGP fingerprint: 6DFB D6B0 3771 90F1 373E 570C 7EA2 1FF3 6B68 0386 >> On May 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, E.T. wrote: >>> Whups. (smiles) Let's get back on track here, Karen. Let's take a more >>> practical approach to this issue as blind/visually impaired users. Like >>> Captcha Be Gone, or Rumola. If I am not mistaken, neither of these will >>> handle what I believe are known as re-Captcha. Are you aware of any blind >>> friendly solutions? >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> >>> On 5/12/2018 3:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>> Mr. Cohn, >>>> may I ask what makes you an expert on my computing, to the point that you >>>> would call me out in this thread? >>>> I make my living professionally using computers as a part of my work. >>>> I have no issues getting the job done, but this is how I compute rooted in >>>> many factors. >>>> If I do not suggest everyone should use computers as I do, why do you feel >>>> justified in judging how I use them, never having met me, not paying my >>>> salary, nor last time I checked living my physical experience? >>>>>> On May 12, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Google authenticator right now is the checkbox labeled I am not a >>>>>> bot. I have had luck with JAWS and NVDA and VoiceOver with these not >>>>>> proceeding to the more traditional puzzles. I believe that Karen uses a >>>>>> browser with no ability to work with JavaScript, so I am surprised that >>>>>> she would be able to do most activities on modern websites that use >>>>>> extensive CSS and JavaScript to allow less transfer of information >>>>>> between computers and systems. If you want to be fully safe at ensuring >>>>>> access to all, then you will need a helpdesk service with the ability to >>>>>> disable authenticators on a per account basis (perhaps with a USB dongle >>>>>> with a security certificate). In general security / privacy tools don't >>>>>> trust the services needed by accessibility. For example, the new Firefox >>>>>> versions have a logo to indicate when accessibility services are enabled >>>>>> with instructions that say if you are not using a screen reader or other >>>>>> accessibility application and you see this logo you might have an >>>>>> application that is a security risk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 11, 2018, at 9:42 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been playing email tag with someone who operates a web site that >>>>>>> uses the picture captcha for people who sign up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We talked about the 2-step verification method where one gets a code >>>>>>> via text message. He is of the opinion that this isn prone to hacks. He >>>>>>> chose to use the picture captcha after his site was overwhelmed with >>>>>>> bots that created thousands of fake accounts. He also mentioned Google >>>>>>> Authenticator and Authy. Anyone have experience with those? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of late I have seen less of the captchas that uses letters and >>>>>>> numbers and more of the picture captchas. I see the 2-step verification >>>>>>> still but not as often. Due ti hearing, I've never tried the audio >>>>>>> challenges but understand they are no better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know where this trend will take us but no doubt it will go >>>>>>> away. What do you all see coming in the future? I am most interested in >>>>>>> the accessibility angle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>> in the past. 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