Oh, I agree there, but at least you can do it, and yes, I've always had some
usable vision. I don't see really where that matters, but undoubtedly, it
does, as you're the 3rd or 4th person who's never had any, who told me they had
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Chittenden
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
Did you ever have vision? Are you low vision now? I know how to change the
command assignments. The thing is, more commands than available gestures until
Google opens up more fingers.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 17/09/2016, at 13:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You know you can remap that gesture to something easier in the Talkback
settings, if you are having problems with those multippart swipes. I can get
it 100% of the time, but, yeah... that's just me.
If you'd like instructions on how to change this, write me off list, and
I'll help you out. I'm not only very good with iOS, but I'm incredibly
proficient as well with Android, and atually teach it as part of my profession.
clgillan...@gmail.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Chittenden
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
I have an LG Nexus 9 (Google Android) tablet which runs stock Android.
The right angle gestures are the current downfall of that system. I am very
good at performing gestures. With the right-angle gestures, one must draw a
straight horrizontal or vertical line, followed by a straight line which is a
right-angle turn at the end of the first line. The complete gesture must be
drawn within half a second, and must be quite precise. Sighted people do this
without any difficulty. I am now able to do it successfully about 1/3 the time,
after a couple months of practice. If Google did arcs rather than right angles,
it would work without much difficulty, and I would use a stock Android as my
second phone, rather than two iPhones.
Samsung rewrote the interface with Speech Assist and took out the angle
gestures. They put in more multiple finger commands. However, their interface
is not-at-all customisable, and it does not provide as many advanced features
as voiceover. Oh, and they have a recent history of current devices lighting up
people's lives.
Now, if any of the TALKBack crowd wish to give me useable strategies for
performing angle commands, without vision, and it being precise more than 95%
of the time, I will definitely listen, practice, and work more with Android. I
believe in multiple accessible general market products, but the interface must
be usable.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Sent from my iPhone
On 16/09/2016, at 23:43, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
Simon, I like your humor buddy.;)
Well played sir.
On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:
Scott,
Um, that type of prostate exam would probably be ok, because it's now
done with a blood test, so captain hook would be able to help get the blood out!
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 1:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
Michael you’re right and just try using Android. It’s like getting a
prostate exam from Captain Hook.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:40 PM, michael babcock
<michael.babcoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone.
All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there
updates, means nothing honestly.
Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the
everyone business and the people who do like there products and services
obviously pay more.
What is a Mac in most cases?
A PC…
A Personal Computer …
But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there
changes will continue paying for them.
I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is
doing
there updates, and just had to say, so what… Switch to android,
back to a Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make that phone?), windows 10
touch phone, etc.
#choices.
And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend
that i couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages. He
didn’t know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis released
helped me a lot.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Best.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
wrote:
Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time
adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable. If that
is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course, jump ship. But,
inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself.
Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource
called Applevis.
How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this
system but it sure outruns Windows.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined
functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult,
clumsy
system, namely OS.
If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the
OS.
The iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has
readily adopted.
Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I
am
going to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook
alternative. This mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an
update
promised to improve, to make simpler, to add features.
My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion.
No
release notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and
just
not helpful or easily usable.
It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who
learned on
that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those
using
the iOs. It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs
to
give place to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs
and
not the other way round.
Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of
improvements.
There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old
friends at
rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for
our own good.
I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or
risk
losing something that could and did change the world for us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden
<dchitten...@gmail.com
<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually,
it now
looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like
macmail.
When in the main message list, individual messages are still
handled the same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one
double-taps on a thread to activate it, one goes into a
browse
thread view. In this view, single-finger vertical flick moves
up
and down through the messages. Single-finger horrizontal
flicks
read through the specific message. Double-tap on the delete
button
at the bottom of the screen deletes all messages in the
thread.
Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between threads, threads
and
individual messages which do not belong to threads, and
individual
messages. In other words, the same as single-finger
horrizontal flick in the message list screen.
If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the
thread must be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen,
single-finger vertical flick to expand thread and double-tap.
Now,
the thread is unpacked and all the messages in the thread are
treated like non-thread messages. Now that I have become used
to
this new system, I really like it. It took me a few hours of
frustration to become used to this new system.
I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours
of apps
for iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I
love
touch-screen and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
<mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
message threading seems to have changed substantially in
IOS10. I
can no longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a
thread,
instead I have to use the “pre and next” message buttons.
Also,
the list of messages in a thread no longer appears, but
instead I
am thrown into the first message in the thread and then
have to
navigate between messages using the next and pre message
buttons.
What a screw up this is! is 3 finger flicking from message
to message gone in ios10?
Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too?
or are
there some settings that need tweaking?
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