Personally I think this is probly one of the most stable IOS updates I have seen.
I haven’t found any of the issues with mail others are reporting. Although I wasn’t able to move a couple of emails from one in box to another location in a second mail account, but hell it’s not a big issue, Reporting the issues to apple goes along way to getting things corrected quickly and they do appreciate it. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 11:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes You know what would be nice too, is if we were less anal about the public beta and discussed these major changes openly so people aren’t surprised. The Cheree’s of the world could elect not to update for example until a satisfactory alternative presents itself or not update at all putting the control in their hands instead of jumping in with out all the facts to make an informed decision. It would also be nice if Apple could unbundle the security updates from the OS updates so again folks not wanting to update could apply security patches and stay safe with out introducing new features. That might undo some of the apple advantage though but I’m definitely not against putting more choice in to the hands of the end user. On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:13 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think where Apple could do better would be in releasing some documentation regarding how voiceover users are supposed to deal with things that have substantially changed. I don't agree that things have to stay the same. And David's discussion of how to deal with the email was very good. I think that Apple should do that. I also think that Apple should update their documentation on commands, Bluetooth, braille display etc. One of the things about making a commitment to accessibility is to realize that for people who can. See, dealing with the changes to the interface may be a lot easier then for people who can't. That's why they need to employ people who get that, since your average designer doesn't. There are a lot of things that become immediately clear decided people because they can take in the entire interface at once and understand how to deal with it. That's not so easy if you can't do that. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com<mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote: That's nonsense. I pay exactly the same amount for my Apple products as anyone else. Apple claims universal design. When design changes or functional alterations lose the way, that isn't about somebody pays more, that's about somebody misunderstanding universal design. Luckily, not all sighted people think as you and some others have quoted, or the disabled and blind would still be sitting by coal scuttles and weaving baskets to the tune of you are a minority and don't count. Drop the doctored rehab drivel and embrace universal design, not change for its own sake. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 18:40, michael babcock <michael.babcoc...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.babcoc...@gmail.com>> wrote: Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone. All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there updates, means nothing honestly. Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the everyone business and the people who do like there products and services obviously pay more. What is a Mac in most cases? A PC… A Personal Computer … But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there changes will continue paying for them. I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is doing there updates, and just had to say, so what… Switch to android, back to a Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make that phone?), windows 10 touch phone, etc. #choices. And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend that i couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages. He didn’t know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis released helped me a lot. Thanks for reading my rant. Best. On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable. If that is what you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course, jump ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself. Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called Applevis. How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system but it sure outruns Windows. >From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy system, namely OS. If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS. The iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily adopted. Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users. If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative. This mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve, to make simpler, to add features. My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion. No release notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful or easily usable. It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using the iOs. It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the other way round. Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of improvements. There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our own good. I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or risk losing something that could and did change the world for us. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail. When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread to activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between threads, threads and individual messages which do not belong to threads, and individual messages. In other words, the same as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message list screen. If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and all the messages in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now that I have become used to this new system, I really like it. It took me a few hours of frustration to become used to this new system. I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com<mailto:philh...@gmail.com> <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote: message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I have to use the “pre and next” message buttons. 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