I'm liking IOS 10, as well, though I don't use threaded view in Mail. Cheers, Donna > On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Personally I think this is probly one of the most stable IOS updates I have > seen. > > I haven’t found any of the issues with mail others are reporting. > > Although I wasn’t able to move a couple of emails from one in box to another > location in a second mail account, but hell it’s not a big issue, > Reporting the issues to apple goes along way to getting things corrected > quickly and they do appreciate it. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 11:35 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes > > You know what would be nice too, is if we were less anal about the public > beta and discussed these major changes openly so people aren’t surprised. > The Cheree’s of the world could elect not to update for example until a > satisfactory alternative presents itself or not update at all putting the > control in their hands instead of jumping in with out all the facts to make > an informed decision. > > It would also be nice if Apple could unbundle the security updates from the > OS updates so again folks not wanting to update could apply security patches > and stay safe with out introducing new features. That might undo some of the > apple advantage though but I’m definitely not against putting more choice in > to the hands of the end user. > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:13 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I think where Apple could do better would be in releasing some documentation > regarding how voiceover users are supposed to deal with things that have > substantially changed. I don't agree that things have to stay the same. And > David's discussion of how to deal with the email was very good. I think that > Apple should do that. I also think that Apple should update their > documentation on commands, Bluetooth, braille display etc. One of the things > about making a commitment to accessibility is to realize that for people who > can. See, dealing with the changes to the interface may be a lot easier then > for people who can't. That's why they need to employ people who get that, > since your average designer doesn't. There are a lot of things that become > immediately clear decided people because they can take in the entire > interface at once and understand how to deal with it. That's not so easy if > you can't do that. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com > <mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote: > > That's nonsense. > I pay exactly the same amount for my Apple products as anyone else. > Apple claims universal design. > When design changes or functional alterations lose the way, that isn't about > somebody pays more, that's about somebody misunderstanding universal design. > Luckily, not all sighted people think as you and some others have quoted, or > the disabled and blind would still be sitting by coal scuttles and weaving > baskets to the tune of you are a minority and don't count. > Drop the doctored rehab drivel and embrace universal design, not change for > its own sake. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 18:40, michael babcock <michael.babcoc...@gmail.com > <mailto:michael.babcoc...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone. > All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there updates, means > nothing honestly. > Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the everyone > business and the people who do like there products and services obviously pay > more. > What is a Mac in most cases? > A PC… > A Personal Computer … > But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there changes will > continue paying for them. > I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is doing there > updates, and just had to say, so what… > Switch to android, back to a Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make that > phone?), windows 10 touch phone, etc. > #choices. > And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend that i > couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages. He didn’t > know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis released helped me > a lot. > Thanks for reading my rant. > Best. > > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com > <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: > > Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time adapting > to change. But, at the end of each day, change is inevitable. If that is what > you deem as force, well, the solution is, of course, jump ship. But, > inevitable there as well. the cycle repeats itself. > > Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called > Applevis. > > How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system but it > sure outruns Windows. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> > > On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined > functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy > system, namely OS. > If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS. The > iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily adopted. > Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users. > If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going > to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative. This > mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve, > to make simpler, to add features. > My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion. No release > notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful > or easily usable. > It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on > that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using the > iOs. It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place > to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the other > way round. > Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of improvements. > There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at > rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our own good. > I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or risk > losing something that could and did change the world for us. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now > looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail. > > When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled > the same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a > thread to activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this > view, single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the > messages. Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the specific > message. Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the screen > deletes all messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick > moves between threads, threads and individual messages which do not > belong to threads, and individual messages. In other words, the same > as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message list screen. > > If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread > must be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger > vertical flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is > unpacked and all the messages in the thread are treated like > non-thread messages. Now that I have become used to this new system, I > really like it. It took me a few hours of frustration to become used > to this new system. > > I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps > for iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love > touch-screen and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com><mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com > <mailto:philh...@gmail.com> > <mailto:philh...@gmail.com <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can > no longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead > I have to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of > messages in a thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into > the first message in the thread and then have to navigate between > messages using the next and pre message buttons. 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