Hi In theory you could remove Voiceover manually, but there's no official way to do it and the actual core accessibility infrastructure is part of the OS X core system libraries. It is tied into the GUI at a very low level. As far as Linux and Orca goes, that is more complicated than it first appears. Given that Orca only works with GNOME, and that only some Linux distributions include it by default, you have no guarantee that it will be available on someone else's system if you need it. Further, what if they're using KDE or LXDE or another desktop environment where Orca is not available and wouldn't work even if it were installed? Or a Linux netbook that comes with a custom GUI of its own? Not all Linux systems are GNOME-based or even offer it. As far as having ready access to the accessibility tools, I'd rate Mac first, Windows second since you can carry either NVDA or System Access with you, and Linux third since there are just too many variables involved and you can't simply carry Orca with you.
On Dec 5, 4:49 pm, "James & Nash" <james.austin1...@googlemail.com> wrote: > You're right Nic. Mac is good in that regard as well as many others. I guess > the same is true of Linux and Orca although a user could remove Orca and then > you'd be stuck. Can the Universal Access or whatever Apple calls it be > deleted just out of interest. > > Thanks > > TC > James > On 5 Dec 2009, at 23:35, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > NVDA is great, though it does not come installed by default. The thing I > > love about the Mac is that, if a sighted user requires you take a look at > > something on their Mac, you can just turn VoiceOver on without having to > > download it, or run the portable version. I guess the portable version of > > NVDA eliminates most of that, but you're still required to carry it with > > you. > > > Regards, > > Nic > > Skype: Kvalme > > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > > AIM: cincinster > > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > > Facebook Profile > > My Twitter > > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:09 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > >> Welcome to the list. I agree with your point about using mainstream > >> products where appropriate. Mac and Linux AT are two very good examples > >> of this. However, Windows is now also coming to the same place with NVDA > >> which is brilliant. > > >> TC > >> James > >> On 5 Dec 2009, at 21:55, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > >>> enjoy your mac!! you'll love it!! and I completely agree. if there's a > >>> mainstream solution, people should use that. these note takers and > >>> screenreaders are okay if there's no other solution, but people already > >>> see blind people as bad different as it is and it seems to me like people > >>> don't take the time to understand what they don't know about. everyone > >>> knows about apple computers and computers in general, and I think the > >>> more sighted people see us using regular technology the better. I just > >>> love when I'm sitting somewhere in public with my mac and people ask me > >>> how I use it! > >>> On 2009-12-05, at 1:06 PM, Matt Roberts wrote: > > >>>> I just got my Mac a couple of days ago. I have extensive computer > >>>> knowledge, starting on the old Apple II, and moved to MSDOS, not by > >>>> choice, but out of necessity. The switch to Windows took place, and > >>>> with it the cost of the screen readers came as well. Every time you > >>>> changed operating systems, you had to buy a new version of the screen > >>>> reader. Once I had a problem with a screen reader, and had to install a > >>>> later version. I didn't have the stupid authorization disk, so guess > >>>> what I had to do? You guessed it, spend more money. > >>>> I'm learning the Mac because I don't choose to give more money to > >>>> assistive technology manufacturers. I believe if a mainstream solution > >>>> for access exists, we should use that. Only go to the AT companies if > >>>> no other solution exists to complete a particular task. > > >>>> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com > > >>>> -- > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group > >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
