that one actually goes back to an original quote my mom used to use: " your right to smoke extends only so far as it doesn't interfere with my right to breath.".
-eric On Aug 27, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > Your rights end where my nose begins. > > I like that! > > I’ve never heard that one before. That’s a great expression. > >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >> Again I must agree. >> there is a Maxim in legal studies, your rights end where my nose begins. One >> meaning of this is that I and only i in the end decide if something is >> offensive...largely because the other party is not going to agree regardless. >> so, the greater question is why are you giving one person so much power over >> you that you have to run away to another list? >> To be honest, I am on this list, and I am totally lost as to who has >> started another challenge...because I just do not read, or take personally >> messages that are not true for me. >> Karen >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote: >> >>> See what happens and keep this status quo going on while a majority is >>> agreeing on several points? So we’re just discussing uselessly is this >>> correct? >>> >>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:41 AM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess we'll just have to see what happens. >>>> I personally think it is counter productive to let one person make the >>>> entire list not a good place for its members. But with all this >>>> discussion we are giving him more attention which is probably what he >>>> wants in the first place. >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes >>>>> all power hungry. I remember when it happened on an iteration of this >>>>> list probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because the >>>>> moderator in this case was on crack. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one >>>>>> objectionable person when a moderator could handle that quickly and >>>>>> efficiently. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically >>>>>>> to the trash. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ET is right, I am afraid to say this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, >>>>>>>> insulted, then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do >>>>>>>> not belong to any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within >>>>>>>> the hour. If he is so defensive and threatening towards so many >>>>>>>> people, this is because these responders also feel offended by his >>>>>>>> words. There is a democratic process going on, a natural finger >>>>>>>> pointing of someone who just abuses the fact that there are no >>>>>>>> moderators in this list. Some of us try to resolve this one way or the >>>>>>>> other but nothing will be done if no one takes action, gas bagging and >>>>>>>> cackering instead in the drainpipe of opinionated expression. The >>>>>>>> latter is useless. Action can solve everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. >>>>>>>>> This issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the >>>>>>>>> grpup. We have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him >>>>>>>>> will break the fever and let the group move on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: >>>>>>>>>> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is >>>>>>>>>> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously >>>>>>>>>> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point >>>>>>>>>> is to make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them >>>>>>>>>> would result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from >>>>>>>>>>> your acceptable use over time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce. The only >>>>>>>>>>> exception to that at least for me is spammers. There have been >>>>>>>>>>> serious lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like >>>>>>>>>>> the eyesore list from Google. Automated programs dumping >>>>>>>>>>> recruiting adds and so forth is just disruptive. Pending that >>>>>>>>>>> though I couldn’t see banning someone. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It only takes one person to throw a list like this into utter >>>>>>>>>>>> chaos. Removing that person permanently would return the list to a >>>>>>>>>>>> relatively peaceful and more focused environment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/2015 11:49 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed, this list has gone from, at various stages of its >>>>>>>>>>>>> life, totally noisy and idiotic, to totally over-regulated, >>>>>>>>>>>>> veering back toward the noisy end. I too am a great fan of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> love-it-or-leave-it style of discussion, but there’s something to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be said for having a person—possibly just one person—with a hand >>>>>>>>>>>>> near to the levers that restore calm and order in times of >>>>>>>>>>>>> imminent crisis. 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