Why don't you all read your mail...there is no mod for this list at this time 
or I should say the person has not been modding for a long long time



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 13:11
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the anti cleaning article

Hi,   agreed just get rid of the person that is causing the problem that is 
what I would have done if it was on my list.
> On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:57, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one objectionable 
> person when a moderator could handle that quickly and efficiently.
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to the 
>> trash.
>> 
>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ET is right, I am afraid to say this.
>>> 
>>> I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, insulted, 
>>> then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do not belong to 
>>> any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within the hour. If he is 
>>> so defensive and threatening towards so many people, this is because these 
>>> responders also feel offended by his words. There is a democratic process 
>>> going on, a natural finger pointing of someone who just abuses the fact 
>>> that there are no moderators in this list. Some of us try to resolve this 
>>> one way or the other but nothing will be done if no one takes action, gas 
>>> bagging and cackering instead in the drainpipe of opinionated expression. 
>>> The latter is useless. Action can solve everything.
>>> 
>>> Take care 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. This 
>>>> issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the grpup. We 
>>>> have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him will break the 
>>>> fever and let the group move on.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>>>>> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is 
>>>>> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously 
>>>>> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point is to 
>>>>> make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them would 
>>>>> result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from your 
>>>>>> acceptable use over time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce.  The only 
>>>>>> exception to that at least for me is spammers.  There have been serious 
>>>>>> lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like the eyesore 
>>>>>> list from Google.  Automated programs dumping recruiting adds and so 
>>>>>> forth is just disruptive.  Pending that though I couldn’t see banning 
>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It only takes one person to throw a list like this into utter chaos. 
>>>>>>> Removing that person permanently would return the list to a relatively 
>>>>>>> peaceful and more focused environment.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/25/2015 11:49 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes indeed, this list has gone from, at various stages of its life, 
>>>>>>>> totally noisy and idiotic, to totally over-regulated, veering back 
>>>>>>>> toward the noisy end.  I too am a great fan of the love-it-or-leave-it 
>>>>>>>> style of discussion, but there’s something to be said for having a 
>>>>>>>> person—possibly just one person—with a hand near to the levers that 
>>>>>>>> restore calm and order in times of imminent crisis.  This goes as well 
>>>>>>>> for practically any networked service, not just email lists.
>>>>>>>> 
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