First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for that matter
nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists offends me or would chase me
away.
Secondly, I’ve actually taken the time to talk to Chris off line and
also seen a whole different side to his responses on another list where there
was a lot of attacking going on so I have radically changed my opinion of him
from when I first ran in to him some time ago. Does he push the boundaries and
get out of line sometimes, sure but so do I and a lot of people.
All moderation means to me is someone either can’t police themselves,
they need to have their hand held and content managed for them and or someone
has a power trip they need to feed and wants their own personal kingdom to rule
over and dictate to everyone else what they will say or how they will act etc.
No thank you.
I’d rather have a little noise and exercise my delete finger than have
someone else dictate content standards to me.
So my answer to you is no.
Anything Chris
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let’s
> say the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is
> detrimental. It’s been months like this and in recent dates taking a
> culminating effect of driving the discussion towards what to do with him, on
> and off list. Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches
> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does need to
> be done?
>
>
>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone
>> else instead of deal with it themselves.
>>
>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then don’t. Nobody
>> forces you to read anything.
>>
>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because someone
>> said something they don’t like or it offends some arbitrary religious value
>> or another.
>> Oh I don’t like what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view
>> is the right view so all others be damned.
>>
>> wow
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to
>>> have new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I
>>> know that is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also
>>> don't agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send email
>>> to a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their homes. And
>>> you did not have a right to abuse that privilege. Nor should several
>>> hundred people be expected to write filtersbecause of one or two outliers
>>> who make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be moderated,
>>> people who signed up for that list have a right to expect that the rules
>>> will be followed and that those who do not follow them consistently will be
>>> taken off the list. If you like unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you
>>> want to check one out, go check out the eyes freelist. The last time I was
>>> on there, which was admittedly many months ago, it was horrible. I'm not
>>> arguing for one strike and you're out or heavy-handed moderation. But when
>>> it becomes clear overtime that a few people simply cannot follow simple
>>> guidelines, then a moderator needs to take action, or a new moderator needs
>>> to be found. So, I guess I'm joining my voice with the chorus of those who
>>> say that in the best of all worlds, this list would remain but would have
>>> an active moderator who did his or her job.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <ty...@tysdomain.com
>>>> <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Hello Scott,
>>>> There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those
>>>> who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should
>>>> someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty
>>>> frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it
>>>> continue, said individual is removed from the community.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that
>>>> it's possible with an active list owner to create a community
>>>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help,
>>>> etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself
>>>> am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly
>>>> elimenate all the side bickering?
>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like saying
>>>>> policing = a good community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson
>>>>> or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;)
>>>>>
>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the tightening of
>>>>> the rules going to necessarily translate in to better content. It
>>>>> might but it’s hard to get enough people to switch and keep the
>>>>> same value when there’s already a critical mass of people here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts used to
>>>>> say before he passed away “that’s why they make chocolate and
>>>>> vanilla” something for the different viewpoints.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
>>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being
>>>>> done to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing
>>>>> of fits, I created a new list where rules can be enforced and we
>>>>> can have a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele
>>>>> Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on
>>>>>>>> 26/08/2015 at 05:29:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new list? What
>>>>>>>> is going to happen to this one? Thanks. Gabriel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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