Hi All, I just want to send this quick note along first, to thank those of you who have offered their support to me and those I love.
this truly means a lot to me and please know that this is not something I take lightly nor will forget. So thank you! Now, on to some quick list business; Firstly, tyler, my apologies, but I have not seen a single private message from you over the last months. So I was not aware that you were offering to assist with list moderation or that you were upset with this list. I apparently seem to be having some email issues (which have been going on now for months) so I have occasionally missed important notes. I apologize for this but do not (as yet) know why this is happening. Secondly, To those who have suggested that there be another mod, there actually has been someone already, who is helping out. -And, I am also looking at others right now as well. To the poster who has alluded to my letting the list go, I am not actually clear on what you mean by this. As you already know, I have not been able to keep up with these last threads, but I will not delete any of these messages until I can give them the attention they deserve. So I will address this when I can, as I said yesterday. Also, thank you to the poster who mentioned the original list ownership. Unlike VIPhone, (which I started) I was fortunate enough to inherit ownership of this list from Saqib Sheikh, who did an amazing job starting this community. Despite the issues sometimes, I am very grateful for the chance to help keep this community going. So again, please know that I do not take any of this lightly. Lastly, for the moment, can we please move on from this and get back to the informational discussions concerning the Mac / Apple products? Please close the topics which are advertising other mailing lists and / or justifying opinions of one or the other poster etc? Please understand, I ask this simply to bring better focus since this is what many of you seem to be asking for. Personally, I like wide and varied discussion as long as it is respectful. If we need more focus though, then it is better to apply all these current energies to that, rather than simply trying to justify one opinion over another. As I mentioned yesterday, please just use your own good judgement and this will be fine. Hope this makes sense and I thank you once again for your understanding. I will check in again as soon as I can. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 It's pretty ridiculous that this thread is more than 100 messages long. On 8/27/2015 2:55 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to > make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might > slip with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I > said something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least > cursing and ranting. There is no call for that. > > I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is > because of a specific person but also because how the list has > devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying > to sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is > getting blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve. > > But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I > feel like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was > allowed to devolve and a majority of the community does not like > that. I'm also calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf, > no matter what I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter," > and that's fine. Chocolate and vanilla, remember? > > On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for >> that matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists >> offends me or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken >> the time to talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole >> different side to his responses on another list where there was a >> lot of attacking going on so I have radically changed my opinion >> of him from when I first ran in to him some time ago. Does he >> push the boundaries and get out of line sometimes, sure but so do >> I and a lot of people. All moderation means to me is someone >> either can’t police themselves, they need to have their hand held >> and content managed for them and or someone has a power trip they >> need to feed and wants their own personal kingdom to rule over >> and dictate to everyone else what they will say or how they will >> act etc. No thank you. I’d rather have a little noise and >> exercise my delete finger than have someone else dictate content >> standards to me. > > >> So my answer to you is no. > > >> Anything Chris >>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:jamy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home >>> analogy, or let’s say the social club analogy. A majority is >>> agreeing that this guy is detrimental. It’s been months like >>> this and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of driving >>> the discussion towards what to do with him, on and off list. >>> Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches >>> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something >>> does need to be done? >>> >>> >>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados >>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility >>>> on to someone else instead of deal with it themselves. >>>> >>>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then >>>> don’t. Nobody forces you to read anything. >>>> >>>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV >>>> because someone said something they don’t like or it offends >>>> some arbitrary religious value or another. Oh I don’t like >>>> what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view is >>>> the right view so all others be damned. >>>> >>>> wow >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten >>>>> <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best >>>>> thing would be to have new moderators on this list, rather >>>>> than fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new >>>>> idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't >>>>> agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you >>>>> send email to a list of several hundred people, you are >>>>> coming into their homes. And you did not have a right to >>>>> abuse that privilege. Nor should several hundred people be >>>>> expected to write filtersbecause of one or two outliers who >>>>> make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be >>>>> moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right >>>>> to expect that the rules will be followed and that those >>>>> who do not follow them consistently will be taken off the >>>>> list. If you like unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you >>>>> want to check one out, go check out the eyes freelist. The >>>>> last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months >>>>> ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and >>>>> you're out or heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes >>>>> clear overtime that a few people simply cannot follow >>>>> simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to take action, >>>>> or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm >>>>> joining my voice with the chorus of those who say that in >>>>> the best of all worlds, this list would remain but would >>>>> have an active moderator who did his or her job. Mary >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> Hello Scott, There's a vast difference in overly moderating and >> moderating of those who make the community unpleasant for >> others. For example, should someone receive an email cursing at >> them (which happens here pretty frequently), the problem gets >> solved with a moderation. Should it continue, said individual is >> removed from the community. > >> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just >> that it's possible with an active list owner to create a >> community conducive to a place where people can ask questions and >> provide help, etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes >> would be (I myself am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we >> were to mostly elimenate all the side bickering? On 8/26/2015 >> 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s >>>>>>>> like saying policing = a good community and I’d dare >>>>>>>> say the folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would >>>>>>>> disagree with that assertion.;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the >>>>>>>> tightening of the rules going to necessarily >>>>>>>> translate in to better content. It might but it’s >>>>>>>> hard to get enough people to switch and keep the same >>>>>>>> value when there’s already a critical mass of people >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio >>>>>>>> hosts used to say before he passed away “that’s why >>>>>>>> they make chocolate and vanilla” something for the >>>>>>>> different viewpoints. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on >>>>>>>> this list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and >>>>>>>> nothing is being done to stop it. As a result of the >>>>>>>> spam/cursing/general throwing of fits, I created a >>>>>>>> new list where rules can be enforced and we can have >>>>>>>> a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele >>>>>>>> Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, >>>>>>>>>>> wrote on 26/08/2015 at 05:29: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a >>>>>>>>>>> new list? What is going to happen to this one? >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Gabriel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are >>>>>>>>> subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" >>>>>>>>> group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop >>>>>>>>> receiving emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit >>>>>>>>> this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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