Hi,

Hmm. The Safari not responding is definitely interesting. I haven't  
try the link for the game you play, but I felt compelled to try it so  
I might go look it up again.

As for Safari not always showing you the things the way you want them.  
Keep in mind they're of course two different browsers, and will  
sometimes present things differently than the way it is done in  
Windows, or even by your screen reader. I'd like to point out here  
that, though Safari works very well for me, it is not capable of  
showing everything such as song titles and so-forth on some web pages  
for radio stations. This is not a limitation to the Mac or VoiceOver,  
however because the developer might have chosen to use an ActiveX  
control. This is most likely the case on other pages as well. It's at  
least something to consider.

Regards,
Nic
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On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:47 PM, anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hi, erik I use the item chooser extensively in fact I navigate
> webpages often not by element but by webrotor or item chooser because
> some pages are rather confusing to me with voicover even though i use
> dom, some items just dont show up with vo-right, i think because they
> are in tables so i just use webrotor and item chooser instead. One
> problem i have with item chooser is that i fI want to go to the second
> occasion of a certain string I cant use it, i think because it only
> shows unique things. I also notice frames a lot mor ethen on the pc
> and I have to open a certain frame before I can see its contents, on
> the pc i did not have to worry about frames at all. some times pages
> with frames are entirely unaccessible (worldofaegis). But overall
> surfing goes relatively well even though on some occasions safari is
> still agonizingly slow and does not respond at all.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 1:59 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>
>>
>> Anouk,
>>
>> Instead of VO F,  try VO I.  This is the item chooser which you
>> probably know about already, but it's applications on the web are
>> endless.
>>
>> The item chooser will  filter the objects on the screen based on what
>> you type.  If you type search or results, you will quickly get to the
>> search results notice at the top of your search .  If you only know
>> pages with frames are even totally unaccessible (the
>> worldofaegis.com site for example) but for the most part now that I
>> have done it a bit more often
>
>> part of the word you are looking form, that will work as well.  Once
>> you type something in you can arrow down to see all the items on the
>> window or page that have the string you typed appearing anywhere in
>> them.  This is more friendly than pressing control F, enter, reading
>> the first instance, then pressing control F again and enter again to
>> go to the next instance.
>>
>> If you don't find what you're looking for in the item chooser, simply
>> press the back space once to clear the entry and type something else.
>>
>> It's fantastic, and it made my browsing experience for me back when
>> element navigation wasn't as good as it is now.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> erik burggraaf
>> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2009-11-04, at 5:12 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Nicolai,
>>> Hello, Although I do get more experienced with the mac and the web
>>> everyday I still find my windows solution faster, I use the item
>>> chooser and the web rotor, i only miss the fact that I cannot search
>>> for a certain text string again. Vo-f does not seem to work for me
>>> within safari. Also at times when reading messages in a forum with  
>>> my
>>> braille display it does not want to advance to a new message so it
>>> does not read the entire page but just skips to the beginning of the
>>> currentmessage again and I have to do vo-right about 12 times to get
>>> to the beginning of the next message instead.
>>> I do now more or less know how to use the finder as effectively as
>>> possible although it is still lsow, i will try Gregs script real  
>>> soon
>>> and probbably write the pathfinder as well to see if their program
>>> can
>>> be improved.
>>> Greetings, Anouk
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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