I don't understand the hostility toward me.  No, I don't work for Apple, but 
even if I did, that wouldn't make me any more right nor wrong.  That assumption 
is 100% irrelavent.  I'm sorry that you feel this way about me, and honestly, I 
don't understand your reasoning for calling me silly/stupid, nor any of the 
other derogatory comments made, however as I said a moment ago... If you can 
illustrate to me some logical reasoning for your comments, E.G, the specific 
problems that you have which thereby are still broken, then we'll talk.

Regardless the attitude which you have toward me, I genuniely hope that you 
have a lovely day.

Chris.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mário navarro 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:01 AM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


      

  man, why  you are so stupid?
  you work for apple?
  apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
  apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
  yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
  shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...


  Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

    All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
have pretty much been fixed.

    I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any 
longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap 
the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site 
where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking 
has over 12 thousand links on it.

    Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna 
have to trust me with this.

    Chris.
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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jon Solitro 
      To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
      Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
      Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


      The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as I 
haven't been able to download it yet.


      I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth it ot 
upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run slower. How is 
it now? Should I upgrade?

      Sent from my iPad

      On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:


        What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested 
in this please.


        thanks


        From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
        Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
        To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
        Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


        I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 
7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
update, or can I expect slower operation?


        On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:

          Hi all,


          I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have 
to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than 
on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking 
for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into 
the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in 
case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was 
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up 
like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life 
experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do 
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But 
their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can 
listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me 
my future.


          Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of 
you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic 
things:

          1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. 
Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production 
or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way 
around.

          2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively 
create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of 
that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a 
good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with 
design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, 
coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can 
trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the 
last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with 
all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly 
clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.

          3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. 
Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the 
process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that 
most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to 
be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, 
it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind 
murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than 
should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely 
straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time 
or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I 
don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world 
presentation with oooohs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally 
lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all 
the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us 
much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not 
forget screen readers.


          Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 









          Yuma Antoine Decaux

          "Light has no value without darkness"

          Mob: +612102277190

          Skype: Shainobi1

          twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7




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