Hi, I wish there was a way to install windows without sited help using boot camp. I don’t even have a thumb drive to uuse at the moment, but just saying and perhaps it is a little bit off topic.
Matthew On May 7, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Okay. I wasn't going to pipe in, but I purchased my Mac Air last Labor Day > weekend and got an 11?. You must have big, fat fingers because the keys are > just fine for me. As far as battery life concerns, the 13 inch does have the > 11 inch beat, but my decision was to put the money into the SSSD to 512. To > me, this was more important especially when I knew I would need some of this > precious disk space for Win 8 installed in bootcamp. > > When thinking about either using bootcamp with Windows or VM Ware decide > which programs need to be install and how much power you will need to run it > all. I took the bootcamp route and I'm glad I did after reading the threads > others have posted in the past related to a program that wouldn't install, > problems with JAWS, or just other silly stuff. I wanted to have full power on > the Win side. HTH. > > Best, > Eileen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 7, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > >> My business has an elve-inch, but if I ever have the money, I'd do the >> thirteen. The battery is indeed better, but I'd want the SD slot. There is a >> device called a Nifty Mini Drive, which is a micro SD card holder that sits >> flush with the MBA's body. It gives you up to 64gb of storage on the card, >> but is flush so you never even know it's there. Also, the function keys >> across the top are larger on the bigger model, and I use them enough that >> I'd like them to be big instead of tiny. >> On May 7, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I went for the 13 inch Air as well when I bought back in July last. Battery >>> life was a consideration but I also like the feel of the 13 inch better >>> than the 11 inch. Ergonomics matter too. >>> >>> On May 7, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Tristan <theblinddj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I got the 13 inch for the battery life. 11 inch has 9 hours, compared >>>> to the 13 inch which has 12. While using a virtual machine -- or -- >>>> Windows in general, it's important to have as much battery life as >>>> possible, as Windows lacks the excellent power management that OSX >>>> has. That three hours could mean a large difference in terms of how >>>> much battery life is taken off from virtual machines. >>>> >>>> On 5/7/14, Kayaker <sea...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> You should be all set. But I have to admit I’m puzzled why you went for >>>>> the >>>>> 13 inch instead of the 11 inch Air? The screen seems like a silly place to >>>>> invest dollars if you can’t see it. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless, the specs will serve you well for quite some time for what >>>>> your >>>>> stated needs are. Think hard about using bootcamp or VMware Fusion as your >>>>> Windows solution. Pros and cons both ways. Check the archives here for >>>>> lots >>>>> of tips. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> —k >>>>> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >>>>> questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Tristan <theblinddj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I opted with the 13 inch MacBook Air early 2014 model. 1.7 GHZ >>>>>> (turboboost up to 3.3 GHz), 256 GB SSD and 8 GB RAM. I think from what >>>>>> I've heard so far I should be more than set for either VM or bootcamp. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/6/14, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawa...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Do you only get 32 RAM on an iMac? As this is what I have! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6 May 2014, at 09:41 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The main constraint I've noticed when running virtual machines is >>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>> beats on the hard drive. So my CPU will be taking a nap while Windows >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> who-knows-what on the hard drive. In other words, Windows is an I/O >>>>>>>> bound >>>>>>>> not CPU bound process. Sure, if you're doing something CPU intensive on >>>>>>>> there like encoding audio or calculating 10K digits of pi the CPU might >>>>>>>> matter but generally spinning disks have not kept up with the leaps in >>>>>>>> CPU >>>>>>>> performance. So I would drop more money on SSD than CPU. Of course, >>>>>>>> then, >>>>>>>> there's RAM. If you don't have enough the system will swap least used >>>>>>>> chunks of memory to disk to make room for stuff you actually need. This >>>>>>>> swap to disk process can turn any fast drive and CPU to sludge. Now >>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>> machines ship with 4GB of RAM or more and that seems to work pretty >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> in most cases. If you're running Windows in a virtual machine that is >>>>>>>> going to suck up a good chunk of RAM and keep it as long as it is >>>>>>>> running. >>>>>>>> So for virtual machine users I'd bump up the RAM to avoid going into >>>>>>>> swaps-a-lot mode. I just upgraded a Mac Mini from 4 to 16GB. Cost was >>>>>>>> about $160 which, as an old computer geezer, is just crazy cheap. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/4/14, 12:46 PM, David Taylor wrote: >>>>>>>>> It's plenty. My MBA runs faster with a VM than any Windows machine I >>>>>>>>> ever >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2014, at 17:31, Tristan <theblinddj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would the 1.7 GHZ processor in a MacBook Air be enough for a virtual >>>>>>>>>> machine though? Or does most of the dependency rely on RAM. >>>>>>>>>> I don't have much experience with the whole virtual machine front, so >>>>>>>>>> clarification would definitely be welcome. I originally only opted >>>>>>>>>> with the MacBook Pro because of the higher processor statistics, and >>>>>>>>>> glancing at a fully decked out MacBook Air 13 inch and a MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>> 13 inch retina, they come out to roughly the same price. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/14, David Taylor <e.david.tay...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Many externals just work, even if they don't say they are >>>>>>>>>>> compattible, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> we are needing such drives less and less often now anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2014, at 14:31, Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will ditto what David said. The way I handle a DVD/CD ROM drive >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> an external one. There are plenty out there that shouldn't cost >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>> $20. The one I have is from my PC netbook days that didn't have an >>>>>>>>>>>> internal DVD drive. Just make sure that the drive is compatible for >>>>>>>>>>>> Macs. >>>>>>>>>>>> HTH. Oh by the way, I purchased an 11 inch MBA with all specs max >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> it's well worth the cost if you can do it. I'm in the process of >>>>>>>>>>>> loading >>>>>>>>>>>> all the software that I can't run on the Mac on the PC side through >>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp and it's doing a terrific job, barring the user's mistakes >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> learning Win 8. Good luck and I know you will enjoy the MBA. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Eileen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 5:31 AM, David Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>>> <e.david.tay...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gone for the 11 inch myself. I maxed everything out on it and >>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is plenty good enough for me. If you don't need a built in SD >>>>>>>>>>>>> slot, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> has everything the 13 inch does, and easy enough to get any >>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptors >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> need for connections it doesn't have, such as Ethanet if you want >>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The portability is just awesome, performance perfectly good enough >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> almost every conceivable use, and I get hours of battery even when >>>>>>>>>>>>> sat >>>>>>>>>>>>> outside, streaming, tweeting, downloading and all sorts. I have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> USB >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> hub I plug in for connecting and charging everything. Works for >>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2014, at 07:31, Tristan <theblinddj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a great post. It really reopens the door to potentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a Mac Air -- thanks Kayaker. I'd even maybe go for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13-incher, as it offers a longer battery life; though I may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily attempting to over compensate in terms of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to discuss this further with you offlist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/14, Kayaker <sea...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There have been a lot of unsupported and non objective replies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> query. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All Macs you can buy today are solid performers. We have reached >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in CPU performance that there's little difference between bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and top of the line machines for us who can't see, what's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between 500 frames per second in some game vs. 450 frames per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your eye can't tell the difference. I promise you the average >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac barely breaks 30% cpu day to day. This part of the reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market is declining--people don't need to upgrade as often as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is absolutely no reason to buy the Macbook Pro if you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is mainly in the retina screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The single most important factor is internal memory. That will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant real world speed boost for you and will help you in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp and or a virtual PC situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't bother paying for the processor upgrade. Do max out your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The internal hard drive SSD is the other place to put your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot in price seems to be 256G. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people will argue that using VM to run Windows needs every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ounce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor speed. I'll again argue the real world throughput for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be negligible. I suggest you test it out for yourself at an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using Macs since the beginning. They last. I still use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerMac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G 5 that's 10 years old. Part of it works better than my MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Air >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running the latest version of Mavericks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a blind person, the 11 inch MacBook Air is a steal. Max >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entry level version and pick a HD size that fits your needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubt my suggestions? Go to an apple store and see if you notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference between the two models. You won't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take the lightness, portability and power of the current 11 inch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Air, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put the extra dollars towards apps. And if you don't want a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more and get the MacMini. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --k >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Tristan <theblinddj...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been a part of this group for some time now, and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth of information that I've gleaned from observing. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come to the decision on switching from Windows to Mac. I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a MacBook Air, or MacBook Pro. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the big things for me, however, is virtual machines (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp). I still want to be able to virtualize a copy of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case I have programs that will only work on the Windows side. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, the main things I do on Windows are word processing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browsing, Skype which would be possible on the Mac side, music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasional game (mostly MUDs using a low memory client). I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a steady balance between battery power and processing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without having to deal with busyness and lag. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have my eye on the MacBook Air 13 inch (with both processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or the MacBook Pro. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook Air configuration - 13 inch (256GB SSD HD): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 memory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the MacBook pro (without Retina, 13 inch): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.9GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM -- 2x4GB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really stuck at this point -- what will work the bes? It's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of nerve-racking putting a large amount of money into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's already two years old. In all, I'm looking for something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will last, has updated hardware, and can handle an OS running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alongside the Mac environment without any hiccups. I'm on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1,550 dollars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I warmly welcome any advice. 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