Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my intention. So sorry if it came out like that. Jes
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > I'd need to agree with this. > > It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply > because you yourself might not like it or want to use it. > > As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product, > complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at worst. > > Just because scripting is present, doesn't mean the entire VO > paradigm is coming crashing down. :) > > If you'd like developers to pay attention to the quality of their > products, then simply do as we've always done and offer them detailed, > positive feedback and suggestions and there's no reason to expect > they'd not work with us as they have in the past. > > I for one, really am glad that Snowie has all of the new features > it does though. Personally I really, thankfully have no need to > initiate apps from within keyboard commander, but having that ability > may sure come in handy in ways I, at present, am not thinking of, so > if that day comes, then terrific that I have access to this, and for > now, I'll simply enjoy all of the other keyboard commander features as > I do. > > I'm also personally really looking forward to scripting VO. The > possibilities here are endless!… > > to get back to keyboard commander here for just one second, I > personally am using it now for a couple of really cool things. > > • I have my right option key enabled and can press option / to > route my mouse pointer really quickly. > > • I'm also using a key combo to switch quickly, on the fly, between > groups and DOM modes. > > So this is really an important feature addition in my book. woohoo!… > > anyway, this is of course, just my two cents. So take it or leave > it. :) > > Thanks very much for this discussion! You all super rock! > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > > > > I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then > don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of > VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, > some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that > application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an > option. > n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>> scripting. >>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>> with >>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>> seeing >>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>> opening >>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>> we >>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>> Macintosh. >>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>> that >>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>>> of >>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>> box. >>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>> just >>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>> computer >>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>>> it >>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>> it >>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>> does >>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>> be. >>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>> developer, >>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>> >>>> Jes >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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