Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num pad commander was getting scrapped. It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a wireless keyboard connected to the macbook...
This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large usb hub. Best wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, James & Nash <james.austin1...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Ah ok i understand now tahnk you > > James > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Jurgensen" <asquare...@gmail.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> HI, >> >> No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The >> external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >>> and i >>> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad >>> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> James >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" <asquare...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> HI, >>>> >>>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>>> read >>>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>>>> be >>>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>>> easy. >>>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>>> like >>>>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>>>> made >>>>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>>>> in >>>>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>>>> But >>>>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>>>> the >>>>>> interest is out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>>>> Apple >>>>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>>>> in a >>>>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>>>> has >>>>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>>>> the >>>>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>>>> cut >>>>>> them a little slack. >>>>>> Best wishes. >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott <sc...@cvrti.utah.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>>>> general >>>>>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's >>>>>>> primarily >>>>>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>>>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>>>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>>>>> Marsh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not >>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and >>>>>>>> apps, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be >>>>>>>> nice >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other >>>>>>>> features >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>>>>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I >>>>>>>> did. I >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> not happen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, >>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>>>>>>>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I >>>>>>>>> wonder >>>>>>>>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>>>>>>>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio >>>>>>>>> demonstrations >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>>>>>>>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>> to listen to. Scott you said >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>>>>>>>> counterpart." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>>>>>>>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When >>>>>>>>> Leopard >>>>>>>>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>>>>>>>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a >>>>>>>>> demonstration >>>>>>>>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>>>>>>>> offered >>>>>>>>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the >>>>>>>>> iPhone if >>>>>>>>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care >>>>>>>>> less, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their >>>>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>> really too much to ask? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my >>>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>>> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The >>>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>>> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just >>>>>>>>> as I >>>>>>>>> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just >>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they >>>>>>>>> care >>>>>>>>> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business >>>>>>>>> setting >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >>>>>>>>> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >>>>>>>>> spending money on apple products. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >>>>>>>>> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >>>>>>>>> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally >>>>>>>>> listen >>>>>>>>> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of >>>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>>> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at >>>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>>> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> elude me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the >>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and >>>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>>>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I >>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>>>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> error. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being >>>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the >>>>>>>>>> NDA >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and >>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also >>>>>>>>>> jeopardizes >>>>>>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <simon.cavend...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <cldren...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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