I read something on apples website about the touch pad access, and numpad commander was still available making three options for navigation. On 9-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> > Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. > There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read > this somewhere or did someone tell you this? > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >> be >> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >> But I don't think it is. >> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. >> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like >> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >> made >> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in >> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >> But >> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the >> interest is out there. >> >> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >> Apple >> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >> in a >> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has >> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the >> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >> cut >> them a little slack. >> Best wishes. >> Jenny >> >> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott <sc...@cvrti.utah.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>> general >>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily >>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>> Marsh >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>> would >>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and >>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered >>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>> and >>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>> time >>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>> not >>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the >>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, >>>> but >>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice >>>> to >>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features >>>> of >>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I >>>> can >>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>> want to >>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>> has >>>> not happen. >>>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am >>>>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>>>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I >>>>> wonder >>>>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>>>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations >>>>> of >>>>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>>>> explain >>>>> myself. >>>>> >>>>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>>>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no >>>>> one >>>>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for >>>>> us >>>>> to listen to. Scott you said >>>>> >>>>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>>>> counterpart." >>>>> >>>>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>>>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their >>>>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When >>>>> Leopard >>>>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>>>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a >>>>> demonstration >>>>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>>>> offered >>>>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the >>>>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the >>>>> iPhone if >>>>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>>>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base >>>>> should >>>>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before >>>>> an >>>>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, >>>>> but >>>>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility >>>>> page >>>>> really too much to ask? >>>>> >>>>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my >>>>> sighted >>>>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. >>>>> The >>>>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, >>>>> just >>>>> as >>>>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>>>> watch >>>>> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The >>>>> average >>>>> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just >>>>> as I >>>>> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just >>>>> seems >>>>> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >>>>> >>>>> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care >>>>> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show >>>>> them. >>>>> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so >>>>> they >>>>> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting >>>>> on >>>>> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the >>>>> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about >>>>> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >>>>> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >>>>> spending money on apple products. >>>>> >>>>> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure >>>>> that >>>>> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >>>>> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >>>>> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements >>>>> in >>>>> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't >>>>> feel >>>>> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally >>>>> listen >>>>> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >>>>> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of >>>>> future >>>>> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that >>>>> their >>>>> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at >>>>> times >>>>> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues >>>>> to >>>>> elude me. >>>>> >>>>> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >>>>> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the >>>>> common >>>>> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell >>>>> me >>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>> my >>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>> around >>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >>>>> error. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>> anything >>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>>>>> than >>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>> about >>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>> not >>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>>>>> does >>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>>>>> that >>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple >>>>>> or >>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>> you >>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" <simon.cavend...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <cldren...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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