Ah ok i understand now tahnk you James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Jurgensen" <asquare...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
> > HI, > > No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The > external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >> and i >> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad >> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alex Jurgensen" <asquare...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>> read >>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>>> be >>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>> easy. >>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>> like >>>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>>> made >>>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>>> in >>>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>>> But >>>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>>> the >>>>> interest is out there. >>>>> >>>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>>> Apple >>>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>>> in a >>>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>>> has >>>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>>> the >>>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>>> cut >>>>> them a little slack. >>>>> Best wishes. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott <sc...@cvrti.utah.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>>> general >>>>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's >>>>>> primarily >>>>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>>>> Marsh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not >>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and >>>>>>> apps, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be >>>>>>> nice >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other >>>>>>> features >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>>>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I >>>>>>> did. I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>>>>> want to >>>>>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> not happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, >>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>>>>>>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I >>>>>>>> wonder >>>>>>>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>>>>>>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio >>>>>>>> demonstrations >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>>>>>>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>> to listen to. Scott you said >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>>>>>>> counterpart." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>>>>>>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When >>>>>>>> Leopard >>>>>>>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>>>>>>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a >>>>>>>> demonstration >>>>>>>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>>>>>>> offered >>>>>>>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the >>>>>>>> iPhone if >>>>>>>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>>>>>>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care >>>>>>>> less, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their >>>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>> really too much to ask? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my >>>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The >>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just >>>>>>>> as I >>>>>>>> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just >>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they >>>>>>>> care >>>>>>>> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business >>>>>>>> setting >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >>>>>>>> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >>>>>>>> spending money on apple products. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >>>>>>>> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >>>>>>>> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally >>>>>>>> listen >>>>>>>> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of >>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at >>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> elude me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the >>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and >>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I >>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> error. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being >>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the >>>>>>>>> NDA >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also >>>>>>>>> jeopardizes >>>>>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <simon.cavend...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <cldren...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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