Well said, Ben. Most developers of software on the mac, have developed with accessibility in mind, or if they haven't, they've listened to our concerns , and look how the mac has taken off in the blind community. I'd think the iPhone will do the same in my opinion. I'd give it a little time however, like I did with the mac. When Tiger was out innitially, I really wasn't sure what Apple was going to do with Voiceover in the long term, so I waited until the release of Leopard, when I'd heard Apple had put in Braille support, (I've never had any kind of Braille Display however), and aditional web navigation keystrokes to enhance the web browsing experience, I just had to get a Mac. I had had it with Windows at the time, and had heard so many bad reports about Vista, and people were just having tons of issues with it, that I figured the mac would be the ideal thing to switch to. So I think if we give the iPHone some time to mature as an accessible product, it'll really take off like the Mac has. Somebody has to take the plunge however, dive in, and try one. Personally however, like I did with the Mac,I think i'm going to give it time, and wait to hear what others are saying about it from an accessibility point of view. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
> > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. > > > On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier <va3...@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make >> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >>> drivers >>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my >>> friend is >>> what this is all about. You have another choice. >>> >>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions >>> working on >>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow >>> you to >>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >>> is not required. >>> >>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >>> happen. >>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do >>> it. >>> >>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >>> phones, >>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >>> receiver as most of us do now. >>> >>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >>> value. So, maybe its in the works. >>> >>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >>> you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>>> pouring >>>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>>> the >>>> second one... >>>> >>>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>>> in >>>> the trash any time soon. >>>> >>>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind >>>> man. >>>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So >>>> forget >>>> it for the time being at least. >>>> >>>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read >>>> anything >>>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for >>>> half an >>>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>>> features are tested and true. >>>> >>>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>>> can't >>>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>>> ITunes >>>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not >>>> that >>>> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My >>>> only >>>> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the >>>> battery >>>> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >>>> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >>>> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >>>> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it >>>> fills my >>>> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >>>> generally >>>> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >>>> >>>> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I >>>> have on >>>> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >>>> paste file transfers. >>>> >>>> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope >>>> they've >>>> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be >>>> really >>>> viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more >>>> ore >>>> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, >>>> and >>>> go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days >>>> left on >>>> my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are >>>> way >>>> more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two >>>> gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which >>>> is >>>> universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have >>>> to >>>> have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the >>>> %75 >>>> of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the >>>> rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform >>>> that >>>> runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is >>>> windows >>>> mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what >>>> technology >>>> companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the >>>> blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, >>>> and >>>> so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen >>>> reader features. >>>> >>>> It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. >>>> Apple >>>> accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will >>>> never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't >>>> accessible, so Apple must be falling behind on it's committments or >>>> they aren't really serious. It's not for me, but I bet a number of >>>> people who don't mind gsm carriers are going to be thrilled and it >>>> would be fun to get one for demo purposes. >>>> >>>> Have fun, >>>> >>>> erik burggraaf >>>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>>> >>>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read. >>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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