On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:02:29PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >>>>> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> We are supposed to manage a project, not just write code. > Bo> For this particular problem, I have declared WONT FIX for qt < > Bo> 4.2.2. There are a lot more severer bugs there and it would be a > Bo> waste of time to work on a fixed bug. People who believe > Bo> saveState/restoreState can magically solve all problems are > Bo> welcome to do so. > > It is not necessarily this particular problem that worries me. I was > worried to see how little concerned some of us can be about these > problems. > > Bo> I am glad that you mention 'manage a project'. I am tired of being > Bo> the bad guy in the windows installer issue and I just want to > Bo> remind you guys that we have failed to resolve the situation due > Bo> to exactly lack of management of this project. Results? Uwe > Bo> continues to work on his installer, Joost is unwilling to work on > Bo> the official installer because of this, the official installer > Bo> will die and we will most likely adopt Uwe's installer despite the > Bo> fact that this is again 'a installer that is understood by one'. > > My position on this is that we will never resolve this problem if we > do not have a group of 2 or 3 people who work together on a common > code base. Since I am not using windows myself, I am not in position > to do more than ask to work as a team. Experience shows that this is > wishful thinking, but I am still waiting for a mythical third person > to come and work towards reconciliation between the parties. > > [Beware, personal opinion below] > > More generally, our problem is that we do not have a maintainer right > now. Lars was very good for this job, especially because he can be > rude when needed. Unfortunately, his presence is virtual currently and > even his recent come-back was not really convincing (Lars, come back! > We love you!). We need someone who says "no!" or "stop that!". I am > not very good at this game myself, and this is definitely not > something that I enjoy doing. > > I think something weird happened to the team. We were in real need of > new blood, because many of us did not have enough time. The new blood > came, but the new developers have been too active and too numerous > (which was not difficult actually) to be incorporated smoothly. There > is a real need to have everybody join at some meeting and find > a better common ground than the one we have currently. I know that > some of us are fond of competition, but if the result is that either > the oldtimers or the newtimers lose interest, I am not sure LyX will > be able to continue in an useful form. I guess all projects have this > kind of problems, but it is not very enjoyable. > > Some probably find it weird that I have such a dark view of the > situation at the time where we are going to unleash a very good > release. I find that weird too. It is probably all the tension leaving > scars on me.
Jean-Marc, I share your worries. We (especially the new folks) need to meet face to face. Is it too early to talk about a LyX 2007 meeting? Another thing I notice is that half (?) of the list discussion is about Windows issues and problems and the Win installer. I understand that it is important (can you say 'collaborative authoring in a multiplatform environment'?), but I am not part of that discussion and will never be. I'm surely not the only one. Should there be a separate list for Windows issues? The discussions would be less fragmented then. - Martin
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