Dear Marco,

I am a bit confused: are you asking for a weight system (where all projects meeting the criteria are included) or are you asking for a vote?

Following a weight system is not that simple.
For example an excellent project that is 3GB in size would never be included in a 4GB live disk regardless of the excellency in community, innovation and documentation (and regardless of the weights). It is just binary in some cases.

Plus, this kind of weight model is not even applied in the OSGeo incubation process... I thought you were arguing in favour of a more inclusive process :)

In my opinion this process should remain at reaching some minimal requirements with decision making being done at the PSC and/or community level through a vote.

I see a point though that we have not followed a very formal process in the past, and have not published all our IRC meeting decisions on the mailing list for confirmation... We can definitely improve in that area...

Best,
Angelos

On 11/28/2015 02:53 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:
Dear Angelos,

I undestand and respect the history of OSGeo-Live as I respect the history
of my country.

My question about selection criteria and its weights provides an
independant background and independent of history.

Just for an example of criteria weights (ignore the numbers):

30% project comunity
20% inovation
20% documentation
30% space requirents

I think we all would like to see an independant model like this for project
admission :)

Cheers,
Marco
Em 28/11/2015 11:58, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> escreveu:

Dear Marco,

I do not see the current e-mail thread as a strong rejection of
MapIgniter2.
I see it more like a review process.
If you look for the release history of OSGeo-Live, many well respected
projects remained in staging area for one or two releases until they
provided all the requirements to be officially included (documentation and
packaging work).

The final decision on whether to include a project or not is usually
reached by a vote in one of our weekly IRC meetings.

Best,
Angelos

On 11/28/2015 01:45 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:

Hi all,

I realised that the exclusion o MapIgniter2 was based on giving a lot of
weight to 1 criteria (project's comunity).

Let me make two important questions:
1. Whats are the weights of each criteria? (You can even create a formula
based on criteria weights).
2. Would it be more democratic and fair the project admission, using a
voting system?

Thanks :)
Em 28/11/2015 11:33, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> escreveu:

Also, the disk size question is highly relevant... we are still keeping an
OSGeo graduated project out of the disk due to enormous disk
footprint....
:(

On 11/28/2015 01:27 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:

Hi Daniel,
I agree that we need to help new projects. This is indeed one of the
roles of OSGeo-Live. The questionnaire is there to identify some
aspects of
the incoming projects, not to act like an incubation process. But we
also
need to filter what is somehow mature and stable. In my opinion the
only 2
questions that should block an incoming software are the licensing and
the
stable release questions. I recall I was rejected inclusion of pycsw
until
we reached v1.0 and this helped the pycsw team to focus on doing a
stable
release.

I always ask the incoming project to provide an installer to add under
the beta folder. On the next release, a user can easily install a beta
project by running the installer from the live system and be able to
test
the software. This also provides time to review documentation and do the
translations needed.

So I would like to see both MapIgniter2 and OpenEarthView provide and
maintain their installers according to our packaging standards as beta
projects for 9.5 and include them as stable in a later release.

Best,
Angelos


On 11/28/2015 08:05 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:

Hi Cameron,
At the time when OSGeo Live started, no project had to answer a
questionnaire, that almost looks like a "Mini application for
incubation". So I think there are quite a few installed on OSGeo Live,
that wouldn't qualify with the rules you're setting now:
http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html

I can understand the frustration of some, who would like to make their
project available on OSGeo Live to reach out to more users. Because
this
might be actually a way to build a community. We could help them to
achieve something, that is pretty difficult and can take years.

So I'm not sure we have to be so strict in terms of community and
maturity.
We should be more strict in how software is installed (ie. providing
packages) and that there is someone maintaining the project for OSGeo
Live.

Just some thoughts,
Daniel




On 28/11/15 14:43, clem...@igonet.fr wrote:

That's the answer I got for OpenEarthView project...
OsGeoLive is made for user only, not at all to help starting promising
projects.

That's frustrating.

They get the good part of free and open source projects, refusing to
take the risk of helping new ones.

What to say... That's not the open source (and open mind)
philosophy...


Le 26 novembre 2015 19:28:14 UTC+01:00, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shor...@gmail.com> a écrit :

       Hi Marco,
       It sounds like you have the start of a good project.
       However, my feeling is that has not yet reached the maturity of
       the other projects we have on OSGeo-Live.
       In particular, we help new users answer the questions:
       * What good open source GIS projects are out there?
       * What is everyone else using?

       What I suggest working on is getting a stronger answer to the
       second question.
       Aim to build up a community behind your project.
       Look to get your project used by many organisations.
       Aim to attract developers from these organisations.
       I know this is a tough ask, and often takes years to attract
such
       a community.
       But attracting a community is the true test of whether a project
       is valuable or not.

       Apache has a good page about building a community which might be
       worth a read:
       http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html

       On 26/11/2015 6:39 am, Marco Afonso wrote:

       Hello Alex,
       Thank you for your reply.

       Follows the MapIgniter application request to integrate OSGeo
       Live. As we can see, this is a very recent project but with
very
       good technological background to evolve and specially satisfy
       user needs.
       I hope it can be accepted. If work has to be done, I'm on it!

       Cheers,
       Marco

       *Please describe your application.

       What is its name?*
       It's name is MapIgniter2. The name came from previous release,
       where it was based on CodeIgniter PHP framework.

       *What is the home page URL?*
       The project's home is hosted on GitHub at
       https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2

       *Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?*
       It uses the MIT license.

       *What does the application do and how does it add value to the
       GeoSpatial stack of software?*
       MapIgniter is a GeoCMS which combines web mapping features with
       Content Management System (CMS) features. It is a browser-based
       software, or more commonly refered as a web application. The
main
       purpose of this software is to let users publish Geographic
       Information on the Internet / Intranet on a free and Open
Source
       platform. Considering that there are other Open Source web
       mapping platforms, MapIgniter distinguishes it self, and adds
       value to GeoSpatial stack software, by being powered by cutting
       edge Javascript and PHP frameworks/libraries, providing the
best
       tools for creating modern web applications.
       *
       *

       *Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions
       of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add
comments
       about how standards are used.*
       This software makes use of a subset of OGC standards; currently
       WMS and WFS. Specific version numbers can be configured by the
       user. MapIgniter backoffice interface allows to configure these
       OGC service parameters to be used by OpenLayers 3 (frontend web
       mapping library).

       *What language is it written in?*
       The default interface language is English. Also includes
       Portuguese language files. Any idiom can be added later. This
is
       a feature of the PHP Laravel Architecture which is the PHP
       Framework that powers this software.

       *Which version of the application should be included in the
next
       OSGeo-Live release?*
       MapIgniter2 targets release 1.0 for the next release of
OSGeo-Live.

       *Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new user
       finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation
of
       all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most
attention
       to the following answers):

       If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application
into
       production, it would imply that these organisations have
verified
       the stability of your software. Has the application been rolled
       out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse)
organisations?
       Please mention some of these organisations?*
       The number of organisations using MapIgniter2 is unknown.
Mainly
       because this is a very recent software. Although, being
       MapIgniter built upon Laravel 5.1 and OpenLayers 3, these two
       frameworks have proven it's success in web development
       applications it's usage by a number of companies.

       Please see
       Laravel Jobs https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/
       Openlayers Sponsors http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html

       *Open HUB provides metrics to help assess the health of a
       project. Eg:
http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html Could
       you please ensure that your project is registered with Open
HUB,
       and Open HUB has been updated to reference the correct code
       repository(s) for your project. What is the Open HUB URL for
your
       project?*
       The Open Hub URL is https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2

       *What is the size of the user community? You can often answer
       this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy
email
       list?*
       MapIgniter2 has no community yet. The previous release has 10
       forks on GitHub, 19 starred and 9 people watching the
repository.
       The Google groups has been some activity since 2012 until April
       2015 from several users.

       *What is the size of your developer community?*
       Currently there is one developer.

       *Do you have a bug free, stable release?*
       Not yet.
       *
       *
       *Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone
       through.*
       There will be automated tests in soon.

       *How long has the project has had mature code.*
       The project is very recent.

       *OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use
       rather than libraries. Does the application have a user
interface
       (possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact
       with? (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries,
and
       will include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if
they
       don't have a user interface.)*
       Yes the software works on a web browser interface.

       *We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects
       which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is
       involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be
       presented at FOSS4G, then please mention it.*
       Previous release of MapIgniter was presented to the OSGeo
       Portuguese community on the 16th November 2012.

       Please see
       http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318
       http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/
       *
       *
       *With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core
       packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single
       project email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a
       volunteer (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between
       OSGeo-Live and the project's communities. This volunteer will
be
       responsible for ensuring the install scripts and English
       documentation are updated by someone for each OSGeo-Live
release.
       Also test that the installed application and Quickstart
       documentation works as expected on release candidate releases
of
       OSGeo-Live. Who will act as the project's liaison person.*
       *
       OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference
is:

       Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS
       Install .deb files from a PPA
       Write a custom install script

       Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.*
       *MapIgniter is a web mapping application based on PHP Laravel
5.1
       Framework. Laravel framework runs over Apache2 or Nginx web
       servers. MapIgniter system requirements matches Laravel 5.1
       requirements.*
       MapIgniter install procedure is similar to Laravel install
       procedure. It can be manually installed by using the
instructions
       documented in MapIgniter GitHub repository. Also, there is an
       install script (linux) that automates the install process. Just
       enter onto Apache public folder and run from shell
       curl

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh
       | sudo sh

       Please see
       Laravel Documentation http://laravel.com/docs/5.1
       Install script
https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh

       *OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application
       run in 512 Meg of RAM?*
       Yes.

       *How much disk space will be required to install the
application
       and a suitable example application?*
       Approximately 38 Mbytes.

       *We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make
use
       of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of
the
       example datasets already installed:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
       If another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss
       here. Is it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which
       may already be included in the standard release.*
       Examples datasets provided by OSGeo Live are fine to be used
with
       MapIgniter. Optimum data is with native Web Mercator
projection.

       *Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview
       available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC
       By-SA license. (You may release under a second license as
well).
       Will you produce this?*
       Yes.

       *In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers
       for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for
these
       in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be
       wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?*
       Yes, Windows installer.
       *
       *


       2015-11-25 17:01 GMT+00:00 Alex Mandel
       <tech_...@wildintellect.com <mailto:tech_...@wildintellect.com
:
           On 11/25/2015 08:24 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:
           > Hi,
           >
           > I would like to submit a new project for OSGeo-Live.
           >
           > The project in case is MapIgniter2.
           > Here is the home of the project:
           https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
           >
           > I would like to know what are the requirements and
           procedures to be
           > accepted to integrate OSGeo Live.
           >
           >
           >

           Marco,

           Reply to this thread with the answers to the following
questions:
           http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply


           The expanded details of adding new projects is documented
at:
           http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project

           Thanks,
           Alex




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