Dear Marco,
I do not see the current e-mail thread as a strong rejection of MapIgniter2.
I see it more like a review process.
If you look for the release history of OSGeo-Live, many well respected
projects remained in staging area for one or two releases until they
provided all the requirements to be officially included (documentation
and packaging work).
The final decision on whether to include a project or not is usually
reached by a vote in one of our weekly IRC meetings.
Best,
Angelos
On 11/28/2015 01:45 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:
Hi all,
I realised that the exclusion o MapIgniter2 was based on giving a lot of
weight to 1 criteria (project's comunity).
Let me make two important questions:
1. Whats are the weights of each criteria? (You can even create a formula
based on criteria weights).
2. Would it be more democratic and fair the project admission, using a
voting system?
Thanks :)
Em 28/11/2015 11:33, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> escreveu:
Also, the disk size question is highly relevant... we are still keeping an
OSGeo graduated project out of the disk due to enormous disk footprint....
:(
On 11/28/2015 01:27 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
Hi Daniel,
I agree that we need to help new projects. This is indeed one of the
roles of OSGeo-Live. The questionnaire is there to identify some aspects of
the incoming projects, not to act like an incubation process. But we also
need to filter what is somehow mature and stable. In my opinion the only 2
questions that should block an incoming software are the licensing and the
stable release questions. I recall I was rejected inclusion of pycsw until
we reached v1.0 and this helped the pycsw team to focus on doing a stable
release.
I always ask the incoming project to provide an installer to add under
the beta folder. On the next release, a user can easily install a beta
project by running the installer from the live system and be able to test
the software. This also provides time to review documentation and do the
translations needed.
So I would like to see both MapIgniter2 and OpenEarthView provide and
maintain their installers according to our packaging standards as beta
projects for 9.5 and include them as stable in a later release.
Best,
Angelos
On 11/28/2015 08:05 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
Hi Cameron,
At the time when OSGeo Live started, no project had to answer a
questionnaire, that almost looks like a "Mini application for
incubation". So I think there are quite a few installed on OSGeo Live,
that wouldn't qualify with the rules you're setting now:
http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html
I can understand the frustration of some, who would like to make their
project available on OSGeo Live to reach out to more users. Because this
might be actually a way to build a community. We could help them to
achieve something, that is pretty difficult and can take years.
So I'm not sure we have to be so strict in terms of community and
maturity.
We should be more strict in how software is installed (ie. providing
packages) and that there is someone maintaining the project for OSGeo
Live.
Just some thoughts,
Daniel
On 28/11/15 14:43, clem...@igonet.fr wrote:
That's the answer I got for OpenEarthView project...
OsGeoLive is made for user only, not at all to help starting promising
projects.
That's frustrating.
They get the good part of free and open source projects, refusing to
take the risk of helping new ones.
What to say... That's not the open source (and open mind) philosophy...
Le 26 novembre 2015 19:28:14 UTC+01:00, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shor...@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi Marco,
It sounds like you have the start of a good project.
However, my feeling is that has not yet reached the maturity of
the other projects we have on OSGeo-Live.
In particular, we help new users answer the questions:
* What good open source GIS projects are out there?
* What is everyone else using?
What I suggest working on is getting a stronger answer to the
second question.
Aim to build up a community behind your project.
Look to get your project used by many organisations.
Aim to attract developers from these organisations.
I know this is a tough ask, and often takes years to attract such
a community.
But attracting a community is the true test of whether a project
is valuable or not.
Apache has a good page about building a community which might be
worth a read:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html
On 26/11/2015 6:39 am, Marco Afonso wrote:
Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
Follows the MapIgniter application request to integrate OSGeo
Live. As we can see, this is a very recent project but with very
good technological background to evolve and specially satisfy
user needs.
I hope it can be accepted. If work has to be done, I'm on it!
Cheers,
Marco
*Please describe your application.
What is its name?*
It's name is MapIgniter2. The name came from previous release,
where it was based on CodeIgniter PHP framework.
*What is the home page URL?*
The project's home is hosted on GitHub at
https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
*Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?*
It uses the MIT license.
*What does the application do and how does it add value to the
GeoSpatial stack of software?*
MapIgniter is a GeoCMS which combines web mapping features with
Content Management System (CMS) features. It is a browser-based
software, or more commonly refered as a web application. The main
purpose of this software is to let users publish Geographic
Information on the Internet / Intranet on a free and Open Source
platform. Considering that there are other Open Source web
mapping platforms, MapIgniter distinguishes it self, and adds
value to GeoSpatial stack software, by being powered by cutting
edge Javascript and PHP frameworks/libraries, providing the best
tools for creating modern web applications.
*
*
*Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions
of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add comments
about how standards are used.*
This software makes use of a subset of OGC standards; currently
WMS and WFS. Specific version numbers can be configured by the
user. MapIgniter backoffice interface allows to configure these
OGC service parameters to be used by OpenLayers 3 (frontend web
mapping library).
*What language is it written in?*
The default interface language is English. Also includes
Portuguese language files. Any idiom can be added later. This is
a feature of the PHP Laravel Architecture which is the PHP
Framework that powers this software.
*Which version of the application should be included in the next
OSGeo-Live release?*
MapIgniter2 targets release 1.0 for the next release of
OSGeo-Live.
*Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new user
finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation of
all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most attention
to the following answers):
If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application into
production, it would imply that these organisations have verified
the stability of your software. Has the application been rolled
out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations?
Please mention some of these organisations?*
The number of organisations using MapIgniter2 is unknown. Mainly
because this is a very recent software. Although, being
MapIgniter built upon Laravel 5.1 and OpenLayers 3, these two
frameworks have proven it's success in web development
applications it's usage by a number of companies.
Please see
Laravel Jobs https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/
Openlayers Sponsors http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html
*Open HUB provides metrics to help assess the health of a
project. Eg:
http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html Could
you please ensure that your project is registered with Open HUB,
and Open HUB has been updated to reference the correct code
repository(s) for your project. What is the Open HUB URL for your
project?*
The Open Hub URL is https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2
*What is the size of the user community? You can often answer
this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy email
list?*
MapIgniter2 has no community yet. The previous release has 10
forks on GitHub, 19 starred and 9 people watching the repository.
The Google groups has been some activity since 2012 until April
2015 from several users.
*What is the size of your developer community?*
Currently there is one developer.
*Do you have a bug free, stable release?*
Not yet.
*
*
*Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone
through.*
There will be automated tests in soon.
*How long has the project has had mature code.*
The project is very recent.
*OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use
rather than libraries. Does the application have a user interface
(possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact
with? (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and
will include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if they
don't have a user interface.)*
Yes the software works on a web browser interface.
*We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects
which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is
involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be
presented at FOSS4G, then please mention it.*
Previous release of MapIgniter was presented to the OSGeo
Portuguese community on the 16th November 2012.
Please see
http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318
http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/
*
*
*With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core
packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single
project email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a
volunteer (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between
OSGeo-Live and the project's communities. This volunteer will be
responsible for ensuring the install scripts and English
documentation are updated by someone for each OSGeo-Live release.
Also test that the installed application and Quickstart
documentation works as expected on release candidate releases of
OSGeo-Live. Who will act as the project's liaison person.*
*
OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference is:
Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS
Install .deb files from a PPA
Write a custom install script
Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.*
*MapIgniter is a web mapping application based on PHP Laravel 5.1
Framework. Laravel framework runs over Apache2 or Nginx web
servers. MapIgniter system requirements matches Laravel 5.1
requirements.*
MapIgniter install procedure is similar to Laravel install
procedure. It can be manually installed by using the instructions
documented in MapIgniter GitHub repository. Also, there is an
install script (linux) that automates the install process. Just
enter onto Apache public folder and run from shell
curl
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh
| sudo sh
Please see
Laravel Documentation http://laravel.com/docs/5.1
Install script
https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh
*OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application
run in 512 Meg of RAM?*
Yes.
*How much disk space will be required to install the application
and a suitable example application?*
Approximately 38 Mbytes.
*We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make use
of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of the
example datasets already installed:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
If another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss
here. Is it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which
may already be included in the standard release.*
Examples datasets provided by OSGeo Live are fine to be used with
MapIgniter. Optimum data is with native Web Mercator projection.
*Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview
available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC
By-SA license. (You may release under a second license as well).
Will you produce this?*
Yes.
*In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers
for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for these
in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be
wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?*
Yes, Windows installer.
*
*
2015-11-25 17:01 GMT+00:00 Alex Mandel
<tech_...@wildintellect.com <mailto:tech_...@wildintellect.com>>:
On 11/25/2015 08:24 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to submit a new project for OSGeo-Live.
>
> The project in case is MapIgniter2.
> Here is the home of the project:
https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
>
> I would like to know what are the requirements and
procedures to be
> accepted to integrate OSGeo Live.
>
>
>
Marco,
Reply to this thread with the answers to the following
questions:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply
The expanded details of adding new projects is documented at:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project
Thanks,
Alex
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