Hi Shlomi, Dotan, Nadav,,,
This is getting a bit out of hand. Please consider continuing this
fascinating discussion off-list.
Hag Sameah,
- yba
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:38:57 +0300
From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: "Ubuntu is Dead" - Stay Away
On Sunday 08 June 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
No. the Ubuntu-women mailing list is meant to promote Women in Linux.
It's not Regardless of that, my unsubscription and then the IRC
ping-pong and "I won't take any responsibility" attitude and then
closing the bug was not the proper way to deal with this. See for
example:
Shlomi, isn't it obvious to you that the way that Ubuntu's mailing lists
and IRC channels are run have almost *NOTHING* to do with the quality of
the OS they produce?
Maybe it doesn't. But I heard too many horror stories about Ubuntu Hardy.
Open-source is all about community. As I said, Ubuntu is now:
1. Full of hubris and self-righteousness.
2. Hostlie to potential contributors.
3. Too fragmented, over-specialised and tries to stays on-topic.
4. No one takes responsiblity for any of their problems.
5. Has too much red-tape.
6. Over-hyped and has too much irrational zealtory.
All of this spell doom for them.
That is quite off-topic for trying to promote women in FOSS. Stay on a
topic, or at least don't slide from controversial topic to
controversial topic. That is what trolls do.
I'm sorry, but I was reponsding to what Nadav said. Email conversations tend
to divert, and it's natural. This entire thread was about Ubuntu, not about
promoting women in FOSS, so it is on-topic.
If Microsoft Windows's forum had been very friendly, would you switch to
that OS instead?
No, because the Mandriva community is healthy and I appreciate the
freedom given in Mandriva. I may also consider FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian,
MEPIS, etc. as appropriate, but certainly not Ubuntu. Until at least
Ubuntu gets their cat together and improve.
Might I suggest that you simply abandon Ubuntu-bashing and continue to
promote those distros that you love? I am not offended, but you will
see that even in Fedora forums (the only ones of those that you
mention that I have experience with) that Ubuntu-bashing (and
MS-bashing) will only get you labeled as a troll.
I see. Sure. I was complaining about being:
1. Irrationally unsubscribed from Ubuntu-Women after one of them has
mis-quoted, mis-applied and mis-interpreted what I said (see
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/001550.html ), and
then claimed I was a troll.[Troll]
2. Being ping-ponged between too many fragmented and over-specialised Ubuntu
IRC channels, where no one would address my complaint.
These are more general problems with managing online forums than just on
Ubuntu.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[Troll] - from my experience, banning a troll like this is rarely the proper
way to deal with him or her. It's obvious that they lack net-wise, and proper
netiquette.
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