On Sunday 08 June 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> > No. the Ubuntu-women mailing list is meant to promote Women in Linux. > >> > It's not Regardless of that, my unsubscription and then the IRC > >> > ping-pong and "I won't take any responsibility" attitude and then > >> > closing the bug was not the proper way to deal with this. See for > >> > example: > >> > >> Shlomi, isn't it obvious to you that the way that Ubuntu's mailing lists > >> and IRC channels are run have almost *NOTHING* to do with the quality of > >> the OS they produce? > > > > Maybe it doesn't. But I heard too many horror stories about Ubuntu Hardy. > > Open-source is all about community. As I said, Ubuntu is now: > > > > 1. Full of hubris and self-righteousness. > > > > 2. Hostlie to potential contributors. > > > > 3. Too fragmented, over-specialised and tries to stays on-topic. > > > > 4. No one takes responsiblity for any of their problems. > > > > 5. Has too much red-tape. > > > > 6. Over-hyped and has too much irrational zealtory. > > > > All of this spell doom for them. > > That is quite off-topic for trying to promote women in FOSS. Stay on a > topic, or at least don't slide from controversial topic to > controversial topic. That is what trolls do.
I'm sorry, but I was reponsding to what Nadav said. Email conversations tend to divert, and it's natural. This entire thread was about Ubuntu, not about promoting women in FOSS, so it is on-topic. > > >> If Microsoft Windows's forum had been very friendly, would you switch to > >> that OS instead? > > > > No, because the Mandriva community is healthy and I appreciate the > > freedom given in Mandriva. I may also consider FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, > > MEPIS, etc. as appropriate, but certainly not Ubuntu. Until at least > > Ubuntu gets their cat together and improve. > > Might I suggest that you simply abandon Ubuntu-bashing and continue to > promote those distros that you love? I am not offended, but you will > see that even in Fedora forums (the only ones of those that you > mention that I have experience with) that Ubuntu-bashing (and > MS-bashing) will only get you labeled as a troll. I see. Sure. I was complaining about being: 1. Irrationally unsubscribed from Ubuntu-Women after one of them has mis-quoted, mis-applied and mis-interpreted what I said (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/001550.html ), and then claimed I was a troll.[Troll] 2. Being ping-ponged between too many fragmented and over-specialised Ubuntu IRC channels, where no one would address my complaint. These are more general problems with managing online forums than just on Ubuntu. Regards, Shlomi Fish [Troll] - from my experience, banning a troll like this is rarely the proper way to deal with him or her. It's obvious that they lack net-wise, and proper netiquette. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - http://xrl.us/bjn8s The bad thing about hardware is that it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. The good thing about software is that it's consistent: it always does not work, and it always does not work in exactly the same way. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
