Aviram,
First, use a standards-compliant mailer (such as something
non-Microsoft) -- especially on a Linux mailing list. Your quotation
marks are quite wacky.
Aviram Jenik wrote:
> This must be the stupidest way of thought I've seen. It shows you are not
> even +AF8-trying+AF8- to hear an opinion different than yours, even if it's logical.
>
> Why is the idea of people +ACo-not+ACo- going into a restaurant because they serve
> meat and also coffee with milk seem FINE to you, while on the other hand the
> objection of going to a restaurant that +ACo-refuses+ACo- to serve coffee with milk
> seems okay?+ACE-
>
> And about asking 'when does a restaurant stop being kosher', common - I hope
> you were just asking for the sake of the argument, because if you were
> serious it shows a lot about your ability to understand complex logical
> sentences (and if this is the case, just delete this e-mail and get on with
> your life. You're going to miss most of the ideas I try to express here).
Well, of course deeming anyone who thinks different than you as
"illogical" is a very mature and logical act by itself.
The people who don't go into a restaurant serving meat&milk do so for a
reason (whether logical or not). The person who doesn't go into a
restaurant _refusing_ to serve meat&milk does so just out of spite. Or
do you want to tell me that you never eat a meal at home in which meat
and milk are not mixed? In that case I stand corrected.
> If religious people have strict and coherent rules which tell them which
> restaurants they will or will not eat in, what makes it difficult for you to
> understand that some non-religious people have similar rules too?
> I, for one, will +AF8-not+AF8- eat in a +AF8-kosher+AF8- McDonalds. Never. No matter
>how
> hungry I am, or how much I like McDonalds.
Neither will I. Never. A company that serves non-kosher food just for
the purpose of it isn't going to see any revenue from me. So, at least
we agree on something ;-)
> I will try to avoid going into a
> kosher restaurant altogether if I have a choice. Other people have other
> rules (see http://www.hofesh.org.il for some other examples) some are much
> stricter than I am.
>
> Just a few words about this 'religious' war. Notice that neither Moshe nor I
> said anything bad about the religious people's freedom to choose their
> restaurants. On the other hand, a large group tried to condemn Moshe for
> doing this exact same thing. Man, this country needs a HUKA...
I think the point of disagreement is very simple: Religious people
follow specific rules for a *reason* (whether good or not is not the
issue).
Trying to create an artificial "Anti-religion" -- just to do the
opposite of what religous people do -- out of principle ("davka") is
something different altogether.
Anyway, let's move this discussion to some other place.
Gavrie.
--
Gavrie Philipson
Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd.
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