Till: > Juergen Reuter schrieb: > > as far as I understand, all problems with incipits boil down to the > > following two major issues: > > > > (1) horizontal spacing, and
I did not focus on that, it is an ancient notation issue, it is not
specific to incipits.
> > (2) the system start delimiter.
> >
> > Karl's solution unfortunately leaves horizontal space between the
> > incipit and the actual score; hence it does *not* solve issue (2).
> > Rather, the score lines should not stop inbetween.
If you don't like the space, then remove the \stopStaff \startStaff
thing. But then, whats wrong with the \bar "||" variant as Till suggests
below. (cont. below)
> Well, I am not so sure about that. I agree, the space is a bit too big
> here, but I personally like Nocolas' solution where the space mainly
> covers the distance between the choirstaff brace and the beginning of
> the staff. I know that much incipits are engraved with the double line
> method that is now used in the templates, but it feels logical to me
> that the "real" staff with the brace start only after the incipit. I
> somehow recall this would be also "hand engraved convention", but I
> might be wrong. There is an example pdf on the list sent by Stefan
> Slapeta that shows a broad range of incipits which show mainly the staff
> lines going through all the way. So it might be my personal opinion only
> that it would be nice to have the incipit seperated by a little white space.
Getting less space is simple, us less space between \stop-\startStaff.
See attached pdf.
$ diff -u c.ly.old c.ly
--- c.ly.old 2008-02-11 19:41:54.923054408 +0100
+++ c.ly 2008-02-11 19:42:34.417301808 +0100
@@ -34,8 +34,8 @@
\stopStaff
\once \override Score.TimeSignature #'print-function = ##f
\nor
- \time 3/8
- s4.
+ \time 1/16
+ s16
\revert Score.SpanBar #'print-function
\revert Score.BarLine #'print-function
\startStaff
@@ -74,7 +74,7 @@
\score {
\new ChoirStaff \with {
% a pain to set? Thats Right!!!
- \override SystemStartBracket #'extra-offset = #'( 38.8 . 0 )
+ \override SystemStartBracket #'extra-offset = #'( 30.2 . 0 )
} {
<<
\new Staff {
>
> Till
> >
> > IMHO, all other features have been quite well demonstrated in template
> > A.5.1 for a while now. Hence, you probably should concentrate on
> > solving these two remaining issues.
> >
> > Regarding issue (2), maybe the "right" solution is to extend the
> > system start delimiter implementation in such a way, that
> >
> > (a) automatic printing at the system start may be suppressed for a
> > specific range of the score with kind of
> > "\turnSystemStartDelimiterOff" and "\turnSystemStartDelimiterOn"
> > commands, and
> >
> > (b) a kind of "\bar #'system-start-delimiter" command prints an
> > additional system start delimiter whereever you want. (But if this
> > bar should happen to appear at the system start, the delimiter
> > should not be printed twice.)
That would be nice, but you can use the workaround with the
extra-offset as shown above.
> > Regarding issue (1), I am not sure what the "right" solution is.
> > Please note that the note durations in the incipit are typically much
> > larger than in the actually score. Karl and Nicolas, did you check
> > what happens with the horizontal spacing in your incipit solutions, if
> > you double or quadruple the note durations in the incipit (and only
> > there)? In your examples, in the incipts you are unfortunately using
> > the same durations as in the actual score. I may be wrong, but I
> > suspect that your solutions do *not* solve issue (1).
No I did not try. Try this (\men \nor as in previous mail)
cold = { \clef "petrucci-c4" }
cnew = { \clef "treble_8" }
\new Voice \relative c {
\men\cold d\breve*1/8 e\longa*1/16 f\maxima*1/32 g\breve*1/8
\nor\cnew | d4 e2 f4~ | f2. g4 |
}
I tried with
B = #(ly:make-duration -1 0 1 8)
...
d\B e\L f\M
but it didn't work.
Maybe someone have know how to write a function \foo:
breve -> breve*1/8
...
I tried with
% as a first test
#(define-public (nop music)
(if (ly:duration? music)
(let music (ly:make-duration -1 0 1 8))))
foo = #(define-music-function (parser location music)
(ly:music?)
(let ((new-music (ly:music-deep-copy music)))
(music-map nop new-music)
new-music))
but it didn't work.
%%%
You can use the lsr snippet 305 to scale down the note values (and a
modern lilypond version). There is the problem with/without ligatures
with solutions like A.5.1 and the one I provided. And it would
probably be som problems with incipits in vaticana style.
%%%
What would be nice is to be able to glue to \scores together, without a
newline. Then one could have independent engraving on the historical
and the modern part, or to have multiple parts stacked together,
continuing on the same line.
%%%
Also it would be nice to have an
#(set-accidental-style 'renaissance)
which would be like 'forget, except it remebers the previous note.
> > IIRC, the spacing engine maintains a variable that keeps track of
> > shortest available duration in a peace in computes the ideal distance
> > of larger note values in a logarithmic scale based on the shortest
> > duration. Maybe this computation needs to be changed for the incipit
> > (and only there!) to get tighter spacing in the incipit.
Regards,
/Karl
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