You have accused me of being blinkered, well, lets turn it around and focus this on you. You can be accused of exactly the same thing, you keep harping on and on and on about "experience gives you insight", etc, yawn.... which quite frankly is just short-sighted bollocks and you seem to dismiss an opinion that isn't the same as yours as wrong.

I have shared MY EXPERIENCE of the use of drugs based on the LAW IN THE UK, I need to have no other experience of drugs to form an opinion as to the negative aspects that drug use has on society just like I don't need to beat my wife to understand the impact that domestic violence has upon a family, etc. What PERSONAL experience shows you that legalised drugs work, like a piss poor politician you have evaded the question everytime it is posed. Whilst I seem quite happen to air my views (based on my experiences) you seem a little reluctant to do so.

When it comes to being in court I am able to cast aside any preconceptions, personal opinions and prejudices that I may have regarding anyone who has taken drugs, drink driven, battered little old ladies, etc and come to a decision based upon the facts of the case and the law.

Reading through the responses it appears that our opinions are poles apart and whereas I have set my stall all you seem to offer is sniping and no valid counter argument based upon your experience.

So for once put up a valid argument, the worse thing that can happen is that people will think that you are a tit.



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From: "Nigel Barber" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:43 PM
To: "Richard Naef" <[email protected]>
Cc: "list leedslist" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LU] [NON LU] mmmm Drugs......

Chris has painted himself into a corner. His conscience won't allow him to
admit he's wrong - or all those poor unhappy sods he sent down would crush
his soul. It's like Blair admitting he was wrong over the wars. Some crimes
are too big to ever admit.


  Nigel.



On 1 June 2010 14:31, Richard Naef <[email protected]> wrote:

With reference to Chris Briggs comments;

Well of course its good to hear from someone working on the coalface so to
speak and I respect your views and insights, but depressing to hear the
same
old tired clichés coming out.

>Legalising
> the drugs would just open it up to more folk. More people
> would then become addicted.

have you spoken to colleagues in Switzerland? - possibly the most rightwing reactionary country in Western Europe. Their policy of legalising the use
of heroin and providing it safe secure medical environments has
dramatically
reduced its use.  Spain & Portugal have both decriminalised cannabis and
shown no increase in use afaik,  In the UK I believe provisional figures
showed a slight decrease in the UK after it was classified as Class C and
until the Daily Mail got Dr Nutt kicked out and got it reclassified,
probably the next biggest disaster they have bought upon public heath since
their campaign against combined MMR vaccine.

As a middle class middle-aged white Anglo-Saxon with direct access to
naturally grown cannabis it's effectively decriminalised for me, yet I
smoke
a lot less than I did in my 20's and while I accept some long term medical
damage due to its use, like with a alcohol, caffeine, fried food etc I as
an
adult believe the benefits outweigh a life lived with no chemical
enhancements or pleasures.

Just to reiterate important points to consider;

1.  Addicts are a medical issue NOT a legal one.
2.  Thieves and gangsters should be dealt with by the legal system,
removing
the vast number of users (not addicts) from the system would only be
beneficial - wouldn't you rather deal with someone who has caused damage to our society either thru drug drink, envy etc rather than someone who can't
or won't give up Heroin or someone who likes a little puff of weed.
3. the vast majority of users don’t become addicts, they just choose to
poison themselves with different drugs than the ones you may prefer - why
won't you let them do what they want if it doesn’t affect anyone else?
4. the example of Mephedrone is a case in point - nothing has been achieved by the banning of a relatively harmless and benign drug, except to increase
the cache and price and push even more business the way of drug dealers.

finally Chris this problem has been around as long as society - you seem to be espousing the same old tactics, - they haven't worked anywhere and made
the situation worse.  I have 2 teenage kids and apart from driving, drink
and drugs are probably the next biggest threat to them and we need to find
a
solution. Our drug wars are decimating so many societies and ountries. -
I'm suggesting some new thinking, it wont be easy, there will be some
losers
and some downsides, but I honestly believe that we'll all benefit in the
long run.



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