Chris, just answer the fucking question, then the debate can move on. Your responses contain so much ignorant nonsense that it's rather pathetic, especially as you have a position of some responsibility. Are you a Tory? Do you read The Daily Mail? You're clinging to the mythical notion of impartiality - it doesn't exist. It's the same shit we swallow about the BBC. Lies. You're hiding behind a legal shield. Be a man and speak for yourself.
On this question the law is an ass, and you're presenting yourself as the asshole. In my travels, I've found that the prohibitive fearful approach to drugs makes the situation worse. Amsterdam with marijuana is one example. Portugal and Switzerland are others. Denial is a failure. It doesn't matter how many poor suckers you send down, 10 more will take their place. As Chris Rock brilliantly observed, "People don't sell drugs. Drugs sell themselves!" Addicts are unhappy people who need love and help, not condescension from some aloof tosser and a fucking stretch. I'm not worried about what people think of me, as I'm happy in my own conscience. My views are based on what has happened to me, not what I've been told. Try living life - it's educational and fun. Don't forget, I was being polite until you said, "Bollocks". How impartial. Nigel. On 1 June 2010 15:18, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote: > You have accused me of being blinkered, well, lets turn it around and focus > this on you. You can be accused of exactly the same thing, you keep harping > on and on and on about "experience gives you insight", etc, yawn.... which > quite frankly is just short-sighted bollocks and you seem to dismiss an > opinion that isn't the same as yours as wrong. > > I have shared MY EXPERIENCE of the use of drugs based on the LAW IN THE UK, > I need to have no other experience of drugs to form an opinion as to the > negative aspects that drug use has on society just like I don't need to beat > my wife to understand the impact that domestic violence has upon a family, > etc. > What PERSONAL experience shows you that legalised drugs work, like a piss > poor politician you have evaded the question everytime it is posed. Whilst I > seem quite happen to air my views (based on my experiences) you seem a > little reluctant to do so. > > When it comes to being in court I am able to cast aside any preconceptions, > personal opinions and prejudices that I may have regarding anyone who has > taken drugs, drink driven, battered little old ladies, etc and come to a > decision based upon the facts of the case and the law. > > Reading through the responses it appears that our opinions are poles apart > and whereas I have set my stall all you seem to offer is sniping and no > valid counter argument based upon your experience. > > So for once put up a valid argument, the worse thing that can happen is > that people will think that you are a tit. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Nigel Barber" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:43 PM > To: "Richard Naef" <[email protected]> > Cc: "list leedslist" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [LU] [NON LU] mmmm Drugs...... > > Chris has painted himself into a corner. His conscience won't allow him to >> admit he's wrong - or all those poor unhappy sods he sent down would crush >> his soul. It's like Blair admitting he was wrong over the wars. Some >> crimes >> are too big to ever admit. >> >> >> Nigel. >> >> >> >> On 1 June 2010 14:31, Richard Naef <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> With reference to Chris Briggs comments; >>> >>> Well of course its good to hear from someone working on the coalface so >>> to >>> speak and I respect your views and insights, but depressing to hear the >>> same >>> old tired clichés coming out. >>> >>> >Legalising >>> > the drugs would just open it up to more folk. More people >>> > would then become addicted. >>> >>> have you spoken to colleagues in Switzerland? - possibly the most >>> rightwing >>> reactionary country in Western Europe. Their policy of legalising the >>> use >>> of heroin and providing it safe secure medical environments has >>> dramatically >>> reduced its use. Spain & Portugal have both decriminalised cannabis and >>> shown no increase in use afaik, In the UK I believe provisional figures >>> showed a slight decrease in the UK after it was classified as Class C and >>> until the Daily Mail got Dr Nutt kicked out and got it reclassified, >>> probably the next biggest disaster they have bought upon public heath >>> since >>> their campaign against combined MMR vaccine. >>> >>> As a middle class middle-aged white Anglo-Saxon with direct access to >>> naturally grown cannabis it's effectively decriminalised for me, yet I >>> smoke >>> a lot less than I did in my 20's and while I accept some long term >>> medical >>> damage due to its use, like with a alcohol, caffeine, fried food etc I as >>> an >>> adult believe the benefits outweigh a life lived with no chemical >>> enhancements or pleasures. >>> >>> Just to reiterate important points to consider; >>> >>> 1. Addicts are a medical issue NOT a legal one. >>> 2. Thieves and gangsters should be dealt with by the legal system, >>> removing >>> the vast number of users (not addicts) from the system would only be >>> beneficial - wouldn't you rather deal with someone who has caused damage >>> to >>> our society either thru drug drink, envy etc rather than someone who >>> can't >>> or won't give up Heroin or someone who likes a little puff of weed. >>> 3. the vast majority of users don’t become addicts, they just choose to >>> poison themselves with different drugs than the ones you may prefer - why >>> won't you let them do what they want if it doesn’t affect anyone else? >>> 4. the example of Mephedrone is a case in point - nothing has been >>> achieved >>> by the banning of a relatively harmless and benign drug, except to >>> increase >>> the cache and price and push even more business the way of drug dealers. >>> >>> finally Chris this problem has been around as long as society - you seem >>> to >>> be espousing the same old tactics, - they haven't worked anywhere and >>> made >>> the situation worse. I have 2 teenage kids and apart from driving, drink >>> and drugs are probably the next biggest threat to them and we need to >>> find >>> a >>> solution. Our drug wars are decimating so many societies and ountries. >>> - >>> >>> I'm suggesting some new thinking, it wont be easy, there will be some >>> losers >>> and some downsides, but I honestly believe that we'll all benefit in the >>> long run. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators >>> accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails >>> away >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ >> www.concentrichron.com >> -- >> >> Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it >> >> 69 Derby Street >> Beeston >> Nottingham >> NG9 2LG >> >> +44 7905 311 352 >> [email protected] >> www.mindbrix.co.uk >> Skype: ntbarber >> twitter.com/mindbrix >> _______________________________________________ >> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators >> accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. >> Leedslist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails >> away >> >> -- blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ www.concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 [email protected] www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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