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IMHO, the referee had no choice other to send Lehmann off as he blew for
the offence before Barcleona got the ball in the net....
That's right. The referee was too hasty and left himself with no options.
That was his mistake. As has already been pointed out it could have meant
that Arsenal ended up with 9 players later on. It might also have meant that
Arsenal might have won the match 1-0. How unfair would that have been ?
..... if Lehmann had been out of position and one of the outfield
players brought the attacker down, we wouldn't even be having this
discussion as everyone would have agreed it was a red.
I would still be making the argument if Barca had put the ball in the net
because it would have been a foul but not one which prevented a goal - so no
sending off.
I'm fairly confident that there is no passage that says "if a defender
commits a sending off offence but the oppostion score anyway you don't have
to send him off as conceding a goal is punishment enough".
What was the sending off offence ? Very obviously since Barca DID put the
ball in the net a goal was not prevented. There is nothing to say that you
DO have to send him off - or there shouldn't be.
- remember when Gascoigne injured himself flying at Forest player and
had to be strechered off, because he was taken off the referee took no
action for what would otherwise have been a red card tackle
The referee should have sent Gazza off if he saw it as a red card offence
irrespective of his injury. I have seen a player sent off and carried off at
the same time in a league match at ERd. This is not, IMHO, an application of
common sense because the offence went unpunished - unless the ref saw it as
not being a sending off tackle of course.
and allowed Spurs to play on with 11 men and they won the Cup - was that
alright then ?
No it wasn't IF the ref saw the tackle as worthy of a red card.
With regard to whether it spoiled the final as an "occasion", the
officals
are not there to worry about entertaining the public, they are there to
>apply the laws as they see them
No argument there. My argument is that the laws should take account of
spoiling the game so that sending off is not the first resort. In reality it
is fairly obvious that officials DO actually take not spoiling the game into
account and we see it all the time. Perhaps that is why Arsenal did not have
a second sending off. Playing advantage is a well known concept.
the stature of the game should make no difference
to their decision.
I don't think anybody has suggested otherwise
If Watfords keeper brings down Hulse five minutes into Sundays game should
he be allowed to stay on for the benefit of "making the game more
exciting" for BSkyB and people down the pub or should the referee make
the correct decision according to the laws of the game ?
Isn't this the point ? Yes he should be allowed to stay on if Leeds score a
goal in the same incident before play stops because a goal has clearly not
been prevented. Leeds should be awarded the goal and the keeper yellow
carded. A red card and denial of the goal is just nonsense. Would you think
the same if the Leeds "goal" was disallowed, their keeper gets sent off. and
we end up losing the match 1-0 ? The game should be about goals more than
about sendings off. That's what I mean about losing the plot.
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