Rear CofG. Amen to that. It’s not a nice feeling. I also had the trim cable 
fail with two on board. Had to fly and land holding forward stick the entire 
time. 
Puckering material. 
Phil. 
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> On 10 Aug 2020, at 17:25, Gary Sack via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 81JM is a joy to fly at forward CG and a miserable thing at aft CG. I
> haven't taken up passengers in a very long while for this reason. I once
> turned controls over to a CFI during a biannual and quickly took them back:
>   "If I can safely get this thing back on the ground, will you pass me?"
>   I did, and he did.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 14:34 Flesner via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/9/2020 2:53 PM, Dr. Feng Hsu wrote:
>>> So, it could be dangerous even if the tail section is around 2 pond
>>> heavier than CG required, correct?!
>>> 
>>> Kindly,
>>> 
>>> Dr. Hsu
>> 
>> 
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
>> I don't know if anyone has tested C.G. range down to the change in their
>> pocket.  Test are done on an individual basis and CG limits are
>> approached slowly.  The pilot determines when they feel they are near
>> the limit.  I believe rear limits are tested with a recovery chute in
>> case the rear limit is passed.  Unless you have that option I'd stay on
>> the conservative side.  Theory is only a guess.  Flight testing proves
>> the point.
>> 
>> Larry Flesner
>> 
>> 
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