Here in my country (Europe) the only available foam for me is Dow blue
extruded Styrofoam.

I am afraid about delaminating

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Hello Alex

You are getting a good response to your question.  Some of the
information will conflict as each person gives you what they believe is
best.  I suspect that you may be more confused after this then you were
before.

I have been using these products for 20 years (30 years for Styroam
/polystyrene)


My contribution

The negative side of blue foam is:

a) Fuel will dissolve stryrofoam.
b) Blue foam releases harmful gases when it burns.

There are solutions to both of the above.

Other than the above I firmly believe that blue styrofom is as good as
polyU in every respect (or better) provided that you understand it and
use it to its best advantage.

Most KR's are built with a "single sided sandwich" using relatively
thick chunks of polyU foam.  Full attention is given to the outer
surface and little attention is given to the inner surface.

Have a look at: http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Elangford/swings.html

The builder makes every effort to remove unwanted (surplus) foam from
the inner surface and then provides a glass skin on the inside - thus a
true sandwich construction.  This builder uses PolyU (no problem in the
USA) but you can do the same with your blue foam and achieve the same
results with a THINNER core material if necessary.

I suspect that Mark L is using material of about 1kg per cubic foot, but
you can use blue foam of double that weight (4lb /cub ft) but cut it to
half as thick - and still be smiling.  You can also cut your foam with a
hot wire (I regularly do) provided that you take every precaution NOT TO
BREATH THE SMOKE.

There is a particularly good KR web site where the builder used hotwired
blue foam wing sections (with weight reducing cut-outs) for the wings.
I tried to find this reference for your benefit, but I cannot remember
where I saw it - maybe one of the netters will know and tell us.

In the meantime - have a look at http://www.whisperaircraft.com/
website.  I think I am correct in saying that all of the work was done
with Styrofoam.  Dene Collet (Port Elizabeth SA) is familiar with this
project and may have better information.

Take care and good luck

Steve J
Zambia
Askies"at"microlink.zm










-----Original Message-----
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)
Sent: 16 June 2004 11:43 AM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> Foam type


        Dear KR-netters,

        After much time spent on the foam issue decided to ask for
helping to all of you.

It has a VERY-VERY small cell structure and I am not sure if I could use
such kind of foam 
in wing construction since. I had seen many types of foam 
used by all of you (on your sites), some of you seems to use such kind,
but I am not sure.
There is no question about other type of foam with relative large cell
(1-2mm), just fill the cell with micro
and the laminate. How in case of tight cell, the epoxy is not absorbed
at all by my foam, so the laminate 
Is just glued on. But on the specimens I had done it is very easy to
tear off the laminated  fiberglass.
May be I am not right, may be in a large an closed structure as wind is
every thing will be OK?

        The question is, may I send to some one of you (who will accept)
some specimens of my foam
just for appreciation, is it the same type as you have there in USA or
not. 
Or may be some one understand me right what type of foam I am referring
to and will explain me a little bit more about.

With best regards,
Alex Birca,
Moldova

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