Well, I pounded on it a bit more, and it wasn’t really fitting into “easy” or “straight forward”. It’ll have to wait.
Cheers, Jeff. > On 4 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com> wrote: > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist already, > concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be doing what. For > example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class refactoring you were > talking about before or in parallel with parts of the porting effort. > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus stuff has > landed. > > -Jon > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would prefer to > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as well. I don't > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm guessing it > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you have any idea > when this will happen? > > Wayne > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be unusable, it's just > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's worth any > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into the GAL port. > > > > -Jon > > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> wrote: > > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion. > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the effort. > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be worth it. > > > > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My best guess is > >> to fix > >> the wx macos code first and see what performance issues are left. The > >> problem with messing with any of this is that if you break > >> something it > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not just the schematic > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I would prefer > >> that we > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle. If the > >> performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may have no choice. > >> > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote: > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem. > >>> > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets: > >>> > >>> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy) > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> #if1 > >>> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay(); > >>> > >>> #else > >>> > >>> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4. > >>> > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay()) > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ; > >>> > >>> } > >>> > >>> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect); > >>> > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy); > >>> > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset]; > >>> > >>> #endif > >>> > >>> } > >>> > >>> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument invalidates the > >>> entire window. > >>> > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window and only > >>> invalidate > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this: > >>> > >>> > >>> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd)) > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion > >>> > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn; > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect > >>> > >>> #if0 > >>> > >>> constNSRect*rects; > >>> > >>> NSIntegercount; > >>> > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count]; > >>> > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i) > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i])); > >>> > >>> } > >>> > >>> #else > >>> > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect)); > >>> > >>> #endif > >>> > >>> > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be repainted if there’s > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical one. > >>> > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed by this > >>> one, which > >>> batches repaints: > >>> > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update() > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30) > >>> > >>> { > >>> > >>> s_lastFlush=clock(); > >>> > >>> m_nowpeer->Update(); > >>> > >>> } > >>> > >>> } > >>> > >>> > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all those there’s > >>> still no > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the individual draw items > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually drawing is > >>> clipped in > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to get there.) > >>> > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed the Rubicon of > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch. > >>> > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a non-trivial risk > >>> profile. Should I continue? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Jeff. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier > >>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> No. > >>>> > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it > >>>>> does not > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > >>>>> <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Andrey, > >>>>> > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there > >>>>> being > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a stroke font, > >>>>> there’s > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter. > >>>>> > >>>>> @Devs, > >>>>> > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but > >>>>> there’s > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after > >>>>> the new schematic file format is written. The new file format > >>>>> will support font definitions so replacing the stroke font in > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I have time to make > >>>>> this change remains to be seen. > >>>>> > >>>>> Wayne > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Jeff. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov > >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say > >>>>> that performance should be tolerable UP to that size > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower, usability will > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's sluggish > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of lag. > >>>>> My project isn't finished and Chris' project is > >>>>> available > >>>>> now, is just the right complexity and has layout > >>>>> that can > >>>>> be used for testing as well as a schematic. > >>>>> > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest > >>>>> resolution without making text blurry, using this for > >>>>> work every day, so it's extravagant, it's practical)* > >>>>> > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth. > >>>>> > >>>>> *eeschema:* > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be > >>>>> considered normal, I would have to guess ~400ms lag > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode > >>>>> ~1700ms lag > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed > >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>> because > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema, coupled with > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan lag is related to > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered > >>>>> when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, > >>>>> I don't know. > >>>>> > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except > >>>>> maybe > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and Fallback by the nature > >>>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is barely displaying > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse! > >>>>> > >>>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA) > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd > >>>>> consider this performance great, considering the amount > >>>>> of elements on screen. > >>>>> <image.png> > >>>>> > >>>>> How long should it take to delete this many selected > >>>>> elements in pcbnew? > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to press anytime to > >>>>> undo the delete action and restore to pre-delete screen > >>>>> when accidental actions are triggered that take forever > >>>>> to complete? > >>>>> <image.png> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier > >>>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t really know what this is > >>>>> about. > >>>>> > >>>>> @Andrey: > >>>>> You looked for a very complex (foreign) project > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?) > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac? > >>>>> Well, we know that and we told you already some > >>>>> weeks/months ago > >>>>> why it is like it is (if memory serves me right). > >>>>> > >>>>> Or, do you have an own project that is so > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that > >>>>> you can’t work with it? > >>>>> If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why > >>>>> this specific > >>>>> project behaves like that. > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could > >>>>> tell you how to > >>>>> do some performance measurements so that we > >>>>> might see > >>>>> something. > >>>>> > >>>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and > >>>>> also over at > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get > >>>>> some more > >>>>> performance here and there, but who are in general > >>>>> reasonably able > >>>>> to work on their projects (including myself, on a > >>>>> 2012 Retina > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Bernhard > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters > >>>>> <de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand > >>>>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Andrey- > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't > >>>>> conflate the > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low > >>>>> Resolution" > >>>>> mode enabled? You can activate this by choosing > >>>>> "Get > >>>>> Info" on the > >>>>> main KiCad application and checking the option that > >>>>> says "Open in > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do the same > >>>>> for the > >>>>> other > >>>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP … > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird! > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific differences in > >>>>> EESchema > >>>>> performance. > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of > >>>>> using more > >>>>> smaller sheets with less info on each than one big > >>>>> sheet with > >>>>> everything. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -a > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> -Seth > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov > >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>: > >>>>> >> Hi, > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to test the > >>>>> motherboard project on > >>>>> my Retina macbook display. > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band > >>>>> zoom and I > >>>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar > >>>>> disabled, zoom > >>>>> response is super laggy, cannot work like 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