Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it does not affect performance so significantly on MacOS?
On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > >> Hi Andrey, >> >> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in eeschema and >> pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there being more text in the schema. >> Since we use a stroke font, there’s a lot of stroke segments in each letter. >> >> @Devs, >> >> I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but there’s not much >> reason in eeschema, is there? >> > > This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after the new > schematic file format is written. The new file format will support font > definitions so replacing the stroke font in Eeschema should be doable. > Whether or not I have time to make this change remains to be seen. > > Wayne > > >> Cheers, >> Jeff. >> >> >> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto: >>> kandre...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say that >>> performance should be tolerable UP to that size complexity, if we set the >>> bar any lower, usability will suffer and people won't like KiCad because >>> it's sluggish and interface lag is the worst kind of lag. >>> My project isn't finished and Chris' project is available now, is just >>> the right complexity and has layout that can be used for testing as well as >>> a schematic. >>> >>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest resolution without >>> making text blurry, using this for work every day, so it's extravagant, >>> it's practical)* >>> >>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth. >>> >>> *eeschema:* >>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be considered normal, I >>> would have to guess ~400ms lag >>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode ~1700ms lag >>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from Chris' >>> schematic, the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's just not right. >>> Additionally, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 >>> because the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema, coupled with the lag, >>> it's unusable. Maybe the pan lag is related to the zoom, maybe there are >>> multiple steps being rendered when it should just jump to where the mouse >>> ended up at, I don't know. >>> >>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* >>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms >>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom >>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom >>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except maybe Fallback was >>> ~400ms faster. >>> >>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are obviously limited, ie >>> Legacy and Fallback by the nature of the task presented, but eeschema is >>> barely displaying 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse! >>> >>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated Graphics (top to >>> bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA (Ultra Quality), No AA) >>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd consider this >>> performance great, considering the amount of elements on screen. >>> <image.png> >>> >>> How long should it take to delete this many selected elements in pcbnew? >>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, perhaps ESC key >>> should be available to press anytime to undo the delete action and restore >>> to pre-delete screen when accidental actions are triggered that take >>> forever to complete? >>> <image.png> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier < >>> stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> to be honest, I don’t really know what this is about. >>> >>> @Andrey: >>> You looked for a very complex (foreign) project (Chris mainboard?) >>> to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac? >>> Well, we know that and we told you already some weeks/months ago >>> why it is like it is (if memory serves me right). >>> >>> Or, do you have an own project that is so ridiculously slow, that >>> you can’t work with it? >>> If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why this specific >>> project behaves like that. >>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could tell you how to >>> do some performance measurements so that we might see something. >>> >>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and also over at >>> the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get some more >>> performance here and there, but who are in general reasonably able >>> to work on their projects (including myself, on a 2012 Retina >>> MacBook with only an i5). >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bernhard >>> >>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net >>> <mailto:de...@latke.net>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand >>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Andrey- >>> >> >>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't conflate the >>> OpenMP discussion with this. >>> >> >>> >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low Resolution" >>> mode enabled? You can activate this by choosing "Get Info" on the >>> main KiCad application and checking the option that says "Open in >>> Low Resolution". You may need to do the same for the other >>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well. >>> > >>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP … >>> > >>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird! >>> > >>> > I don’t notice any specific differences in EESchema performance. >>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of using more >>> smaller sheets with less info on each than one big sheet with >>> everything. >>> > >>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence. >>> > >>> > -a >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> -Seth >>> >> >>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> So for now I've had a chance to test the motherboard project on >>> my Retina macbook display. >>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band zoom and I >>> have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar disabled, zoom >>> response is super laggy, cannot work like this, will need to make >>> schematics on windows. >>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness: >>> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is major, boo boo >>> >> modern (fallback) - decent, but the lag can be felt, zoom lag >>> is minor >>> >> modern (accelerated) - almost cannot feel the lag, very nice, >>> nice zoom responsiveness >>> >> >>> >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG display. >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future >>> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the >>> future [JFK] >>> >>> kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>> Live Long and Prosper, >>> Andrey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net <mailto: >>> kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future [JFK] kandre...@gmail.com Live Long and Prosper, Andrey
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